NVIDIA 304.60 Driver Fixes Bugs

[necro-lover]

Yeap, the only vendor giving performance and feature(minus optimus) parity for Linux is totally a Linux enemy.

you are wrong and its simple why: Linux not not only a kernel its a idea a idea of a open and free way to do stuff and not only open and free also in the meaning of the GPL force the people to stay free in the future and not sell there freedom like BSD.

This means your point and argument "Performance" and "Features" is invalid because this has nothing to do with the Idea of "Linux".

Linux don't want to be the most performanced and most featured OS in the world linux want do be a open and free OS who protects the people to not sell there freedom in the GPL way of meaning.

So you are complete wrong.

Yeah, I disagree with their corporatism, but most companies act like that, doesn't make them enemies to everyone.

in your words beeing a NAZI is ok if you are a software company?

Corporatism=the economic system of the nazis.

For example, I can't know what a Coca Cola contains before drinking it. Wanna bitch about that too?

hell yes its against the law in europe to not write what is in it on the bottle.

I don't agree with violating the GPL, no, I don't agree that preventing them from giving Optimus support or wishing them death will have a totally positive result either though.

the people should just stop calling to break the law nvidia has no right to hurt the GPL end of storry...
oooo ..... noooo its not the end of storry its the start of the nvidia fanboy propaganda...

in the end they will hire some murderers and will kill the GPL/kernel people just to make sure the coporatism-Nazi system works.

the nazis did the same if words don't force people weapons and GAS in concentration camps will do.

Especially the later won't make the open drivers any better. Maybe worse?
It seems I'll start seeing the same stuff written here that I hear from some damn blinded communists now. 0_o

you talk about damn blinded communists but Nazis (Corporatism) are ok ?
really call a doctor and check your brain about this.

or maybe the concentration camp GAS already hurt your brain? maybe you need help ?

[Rigaldo]

you are wrong and its simple why: Linux not not only a kernel its a idea a idea of a open and free way to do stuff and not only open and free also in the meaning of the GPL force the people to stay free in the future and not sell there freedom like BSD.

This means your point and argument "Performance" and "Features" is invalid because this has nothing to do with the Idea of "Linux".

Linux don't want to be the most performanced and most featured OS in the world linux want do be a open and free OS who protects the people to not sell there freedom in the GPL way of meaning.

So you are complete wrong.



in your words beeing a NAZI is ok if you are a software company?

Corporatism=the economic system of the nazis.



hell yes its against the law in europe to not write what is in it on the bottle.



the people should just stop calling to break the law nvidia has no right to hurt the GPL end of storry...
oooo ..... noooo its not the end of storry its the start of the nvidia fanboy propaganda...

in the end they will hire some murderers and will kill the GPL/kernel people just to make sure the coporatism-Nazi system works.

the nazis did the same if words don't force people weapons and GAS in concentration camps will do.



you talk about damn blinded communists but Nazis (Corporatism) are ok ?
really call a doctor and check your brain about this.

or maybe the concentration camp GAS already hurt your brain? maybe you need help ?

Ok, I get your point, but you're kinda going too far.
"in the end they will hire some murderers and will kill the GPL/kernel people just to make sure the coporatism-Nazi system works. "
Ok, I'll guess such parts are joking.
No need for insults. Btw, preferring to use the blob, doesn't mean I hate the open one. What if in my case the open one is practically unusable. And no, I'm not talking about performance even yet.
We should be able to do whatever we want with Linux, as long as it is within what GPL V2 permits, isn't that right?
If it permits using blob one way or another, why not?
And no, I don't like BSD in any way.
Also, fanaticism of any kind is bad, including fanaticism about opensource. I'm not talking about any devs, I'm sure Linus knows what he's doing, and hope that he and Alan will make sure that Optimus users can properly use Optimus eventually(I have no optimus laptop, and will probably not get one any time soon if ever, I don't really benefit).
And they say the far right and far left are pretty close in politics, practically much more than mid right and mid left.(not me saying, just some people who spent lots of their lives study sociology etc). Maybe the same applies here ..
The fact I don't want to use the open drivers over the proprietary, doesn't mean I hate the open ones. Neither the fact I acknowledge their problems(like I do for proprietary ones, but many seem to falsely say that open ones are almost perfect, to which I very much disagree, after lots of "research", cause who knows, maybe it's my pc's fault, right?).
Seeing things as black and white is bad, BAD.
I'd love everything to be open, but I'd like to be realistic, it's not like any company will suddenly release all their specs. And cursing won't help doing so. I trust Linus and the kernel devs can think more strategically than some people here who'll just say no to anything with nvidia string on it ..
Otherwise it won't happen.
I'd find much more logical personally that Linux would dominate and then global openness would come than the other way around. In fact, I have many doubts about the possibility of the second one happening. So one must think how to help Linux dominate. Even if you have to use "evil" to defeat greater "evil", which as always is apple. 0_o (ok, j/k here)

Thanks for calling me nazi because I don't agree, real smooth. This attitude WITHIN our community is one reason why Linux still has chances of staying in the shit, at least as far as desktop goes.
Yes, there's serious problems in many aspects of the desktop, it's just fact, and this attitude doesn't seem to work .. 20 years now, is it?

[necro-lover]

Ok, I get your point, but you're kinda going too far.
"in the end they will hire some murderers and will kill the GPL/kernel people just to make sure the coporatism-Nazi system works. "
Ok, I'll guess such parts are joking.
No need for insults. Btw, preferring to use the blob, doesn't mean I hate the open one. What if in my case the open one is practically unusable. And no, I'm not talking about performance even yet.
We should be able to do whatever we want with Linux, as long as it is within what GPL V2 permits, isn't that right?
If it permits using blob one way or another, why not?
And no, I don't like BSD in any way.
Also, fanaticism of any kind is bad, including fanaticism about opensource. I'm not talking about any devs, I'm sure Linus knows what he's doing, and hope that he and Alan will make sure that Optimus users can properly use Optimus eventually(I have no optimus laptop, and will probably not get one any time soon if ever, I don't really benefit).
And they say the far right and far left are pretty close in politics, practically much more than mid right and mid left.(not me saying, just some people who spent lots of their lives study sociology etc). Maybe the same applies here ..
The fact I don't want to use the open drivers over the proprietary, doesn't mean I hate the open ones. Neither the fact I acknowledge their problems(like I do for proprietary ones, but many seem to falsely say that open ones are almost perfect, to which I very much disagree, after lots of "research", cause who knows, maybe it's my pc's fault, right?).
Seeing things as black and white is bad, BAD.
I'd love everything to be open, but I'd like to be realistic, it's not like any company will suddenly release all their specs. And cursing won't help doing so. I trust Linus and the kernel devs can think more strategically than some people here who'll just say no to anything with nvidia string on it ..
Otherwise it won't happen.
I'd find much more logical personally that Linux would dominate and then global openness would come than the other way around. In fact, I have many doubts about the possibility of the second one happening. So one must think how to help Linux dominate.

(ok, j/k here)

Thanks for calling me nazi because I don't agree, real smooth. This attitude WITHIN our community is one reason why Linux still has chances of staying in the shit, at least as far as desktop goes.
Yes, there's serious problems in many aspects of the desktop, it's just fact, and this attitude doesn't seem to work .. 20 years now, is it?

"Thanks for calling me nazi because I don't agree,"

I never called you a Nazi... I called people who use corporatism against social movements nazis and in this case "nvidia". And you did not use corporatism against humans.

"and this attitude doesn't seem to work"

Without it Linux would never exist. Linux is a Social (peaceful)Revolution not a Communist one but still a Social movement. You can't do a "Revolution(peaceful)" without defence your rights.

And in this (peaceful)Revolution nvidia is just the enemy.

"Ok, I'll guess such parts are joking."

I dear you you found a joke ? LOL maybe you can use it to make you happy?

"What if in my case the open one is practically unusable."

and you really need me to tell you what is to do to improve it?

"Also, fanaticism of any kind is bad, including fanaticism about opensource."

be sure Fanaticism against Fanaticism is bad to ... and Tolerance to intolerance people is just supineness. in all possible cases fanaticism for FOSS software is really one of the cutest way in being a fanatic.

In other words I'm happy to be a FOSS fanatic and not a Communist or a Nazi.

"I'd love everything to be open, but I'd like to be realistic, it's not like any company will suddenly release all their specs."

The loongson people are building a opensource (OpenGL+OpenCL)-Only GPU card right now.
this means in 1-2 years you can buy a loongson system with fully open-source support in the definition of RMS-FSF but not in the definition of "bridgman".

Maybe this is good for you?

"Even if you have to use "evil" to defeat greater "evil", which as always is apple. 0_o"

that’s corporatism you have to be a nazi in the nato group Gladio to fight greater evil Communism ?

bad taste really bad taste.

[Rigaldo]

.............

""I never called you a Nazi... I called people who use corporatism against social movements nazis and in this case "nvidia". And you did not use corporatism against humans.
""

Ok, sorry, being tired and sick, I might misinterprete some things a bit and skip through some tex.. OH WAIT!!

"really call a doctor and check your brain about this.

or maybe the concentration camp GAS already hurt your brain? maybe you need help ?"

Or I took some stuff around here the wrong way too?

""

Without it Linux would never exist. Linux is a Social (peaceful)Revolution not a Communist one but still a Social movement. You can't do a "Revolution(peaceful)" without defence your rights.

And in this (peaceful)Revolution nvidia is just the enemy.
""

No, wishing people to die among other things(for some certain ones) is certainly not peaceful by my standards. And I dislike these attitude.
Bickering among ourselves in the Linux community .. Is this what Linux would never exist without? Seriously? (mindblown) X_x


""
I dear you you found a joke ? LOL maybe you can use it to make you happy?
""

Another joke here?

""
and you really need me to tell you what is to do to improve it?
""

What about freedom etc?
Might as well say everyone should code an OS for themselves to be free as far as software goes.
Seriously, I'd love to improve it, in fact I'm learning some programming, slowly but surly. But that's a serious response? I could rewrite a window dll too by this ideology, if it doesn't fit me.
What if not everyone is competent programmer? Who can spend enough time to improve(or did they write what they have now in a couple hours?)? Or does not have enough test hardware?(can you guarantee I want burn anything playing around with power management code? And I might need my pc for other things in the meantime too)
Too bad for them? Maybe Linux is just for hackers and elite programmers then(and I strongly believed this was untrue, hmm ...).
This I find kind of a lame argument on your part, sorry.

""
be sure Fanaticism against Fanaticism is bad to ... and Tolerance to intolerance people is just supineness. in all possible cases fanaticism for FOSS software is really one of the cutest way in being a fanatic.

In other words I'm happy to be a FOSS fanatic and not a Communist or a Nazi.
""

Fanaticism still bad. NVIDIA is less bad than another random company I could say too, does it make it ok for you then that their closed etc?
Fanaticism hurts opensource, it prevents people from opening their eyes and seeing other things/perspectives/opinions. Btw, I didn't say you specifically are a fanatic(but it seems many run around), you may be though, haven't seen enough of you personally yet to judge well anyway. In case you imply such thing that is.

""
The loongson people are building a opensource (OpenGL+OpenCL)-Only GPU card right now.
this means in 1-2 years you can buy a loongson system with fully open-source support in the definition of RMS-FSF but not in the definition of "bridgman".

Maybe this is good for you?
""

Cool, if they make something that fulfills my needs, I'll gladly buy their products. But will it. You see many people tend to mix "choice" in when talking about opensource. Would I have the choice to run enough software satisfactory. In fact, being able to run Re-Volt( a 1999 game) well through Wine, would probably be more than satisfactory for me as far as games go. Or just openbox at best?
I have limited info on this, I admit, but what I do have seems to indicate more of the latter.


""
that’s corporatism you have to be a nazi in the nato group Gladio to fight greater evil Communism ?

bad taste really bad taste.
""

That's not quite what I said, I mean .. Ah, screw, I didn't make much sense out of this one.
No seriously, what's Gladio for example?

[necro-lover]

""I never called you a Nazi... I called people who use corporatism against social movements nazis and in this case "nvidia". And you did not use corporatism against humans.
""

Ok, sorry, being tired and sick, I might misinterprete some things a bit and skip through some tex.. OH WAIT!!

"really call a doctor and check your brain about this.

or maybe the concentration camp GAS already hurt your brain? maybe you need help ?"

Or I took some stuff around here the wrong way too?

""

Without it Linux would never exist. Linux is a Social (peaceful)Revolution not a Communist one but still a Social movement. You can't do a "Revolution(peaceful)" without defence your rights.

And in this (peaceful)Revolution nvidia is just the enemy.
""

No, wishing people to die among other things(for some certain ones) is certainly not peaceful by my standards. And I dislike these attitude.
Bickering among ourselves in the Linux community .. Is this what Linux would never exist without? Seriously? (mindblown) X_x


""
I dear you you found a joke ? LOL maybe you can use it to make you happy?
""

Another joke here?

""
and you really need me to tell you what is to do to improve it?
""

What about freedom etc?
Might as well say everyone should code an OS for themselves to be free as far as software goes.
Seriously, I'd love to improve it, in fact I'm learning some programming, slowly but surly. But that's a serious response? I could rewrite a window dll too by this ideology, if it doesn't fit me.
What if not everyone is competent programmer? Who can spend enough time to improve(or did they write what they have now in a couple hours?)? Or does not have enough test hardware?(can you guarantee I want burn anything playing around with power management code? And I might need my pc for other things in the meantime too)
Too bad for them? Maybe Linux is just for hackers and elite programmers then(and I strongly believed this was untrue, hmm ...).
This I find kind of a lame argument on your part, sorry.

""
be sure Fanaticism against Fanaticism is bad to ... and Tolerance to intolerance people is just supineness. in all possible cases fanaticism for FOSS software is really one of the cutest way in being a fanatic.

In other words I'm happy to be a FOSS fanatic and not a Communist or a Nazi.
""

Fanaticism still bad. NVIDIA is less bad than another random company I could say too, does it make it ok for you then that their closed etc?
Fanaticism hurts opensource, it prevents people from opening their eyes and seeing other things/perspectives/opinions. Btw, I didn't say you specifically are a fanatic(but it seems many run around), you may be though, haven't seen enough of you personally yet to judge well anyway. In case you imply such thing that is.

""
The loongson people are building a opensource (OpenGL+OpenCL)-Only GPU card right now.
this means in 1-2 years you can buy a loongson system with fully open-source support in the definition of RMS-FSF but not in the definition of "bridgman".

Maybe this is good for you?
""

Cool, if they make something that fulfills my needs, I'll gladly buy their products. But will it. You see many people tend to mix "choice" in when talking about opensource. Would I have the choice to run enough software satisfactory. In fact, being able to run Re-Volt( a 1999 game) well through Wine, would probably be more than satisfactory for me as far as games go. Or just openbox at best?
I have limited info on this, I admit, but what I do have seems to indicate more of the latter.


""
that’s corporatism you have to be a nazi in the nato group Gladio to fight greater evil Communism ?

bad taste really bad taste.
""

That's not quite what I said, I mean .. Ah, screw, I didn't make much sense out of this one.
No seriously, what's Gladio for example?

"That's not quite what I said, I mean .. Ah, screw, I didn't make much sense out of this one.
No seriously, what's Gladio for example?"

you just don't get what i mean because you don't know Gladio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
Gladio is what you are meaning.

Gladio is your nvidia example fighting the "bad" in your case apple

And this works in this way: you are the true good one (there is no question about this in this example) and you do have a enemy Apple/Communism then you try to fight them and you use Nvidia/Nazis in your "Gladio" army.

And it works very well the communist lose every election some communists die but after 30 years you feel not so good because something wend wrong the nazis/nvidia did there own deal to and turn the power you gave them "money/Weapons" against you.

The Gladio system broke because the less bad guys don't only fight against communism they also fight against your allies they killing your Tux penguin/jewish people .

"Cool, if they make something that fulfills my needs, I'll gladly buy their products. But will it. You see many people tend to mix "choice" in when talking about opensource. Would I have the choice to run enough software satisfactory. In fact, being able to run Re-Volt( a 1999 game) well through Wine, would probably be more than satisfactory for me as far as games go. Or just openbox at best?
I have limited info on this, I admit, but what I do have seems to indicate more of the latter."

yes you can run x86 closed source software because loongson do have hardware acceleration for x86 you can use this in gemu.

Also directX the card only support openGL but you can use wine to translate the directX calls into openGL calls.

"Fanaticism still bad"

Love fanaticism is also bad?

"But that's a serious response?
This I find kind of a lame argument on your part, sorry."

yes the answer is a question because you know it best how YOU can help the open-source driver team.
And be sure its the best argument you ever dealt-with.

"Another joke here?"

you must be genius.. did not see it coming blowed my brain away...

"Is this what Linux would never exist without? Seriously? (mindblown) X_x"

yes Seriously the FOSS people will always fight back hard with words they are not slaves.

"Ok, sorry, being tired and sick, I might misinterprete some things a bit and skip through some tex.. OH WAIT!!

"really call a doctor and check your brain about this.
Or I took some stuff around here the wrong way too? "

It was a roll-playing rhetorical style I did a imagination that you are the victim of the Nazis and you survive but not healthy the gas damaged your brain and now you talk to me ..... (it also was a kind of dirty joke)

some smart people find this without explanation. Its a rhetorical style and I succeeded very much because you write here "you call me a nazi" but in fact I did not. This is the best case of all rhetorical wins because you are pissed and I can prove that I don't call you a Nazi.

Its a win by your failure

don't worry its not a big deal to lose a rhetorical battle against me.

[pingufunkybeat]

So: GPL advocates are Nazis. Nvidia users are also Nazis. Everybody is a Nazi.

Now we've arrived at the bottom of this... It has been really enlightening, we have all learned a lot.

[necro-lover]

So: GPL advocates are Nazis. Nvidia users are also Nazis. Everybody is a Nazi.

Now we've arrived at the bottom of this... It has been really enlightening, we have all learned a lot.

most people would say GPL advocates are communists-- but well yes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Its a godwin's law that every forum thread goes bankrupted by a Hitler argument.

And I’m not a god to break this natural law.

I'm innocent!

[Rigaldo]

.......................

Here we go again with the walls of text.

""
you just don't get what i mean because you don't know Gladio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
Gladio is what you are meaning.

Gladio is your nvidia example fighting the "bad" in your case apple

And this works in this way: you are the true good one (there is no question about this in this example) and you do have a enemy Apple/Communism then you try to fight them and you use Nvidia/Nazis in your "Gladio" army.

And it works very well the communist lose every election some communists die but after 30 years you feel not so good because something wend wrong the nazis/nvidia did there own deal to and turn the power you gave them "money/Weapons" against you.

The Gladio system broke because the less bad guys don't only fight against communism they also fight against your allies they killing your Tux penguin/jewish people .
""

No, not knowing what Gladio is was only part of why I didn't understand. Thanks for explaining.
If we take examples as far, maybe I should try to keep it related .. 0_o
Quite simply, "tolerating" NVIDIA, at least within the boundaries of GPL, I don't seem as wrong, but as a way to bring more people to opensource. Besides, if they use Windows/Mac OS instead of Linux with proprietary drivers, which is best/worse i regard to freedom?
This is the real world, compromises must be made. Maybe if Linux dominates we can make everything open, and I find this more likely than making everything open first. It also has to do with what is achievable.

""

yes you can run x86 closed source software because loongson do have hardware acceleration for x86 you can use this in gemu.

Also directX the card only support openGL but you can use wine to translate the directX calls into openGL calls.
""

I was mostly referring to graphics performance specifically, should not forget about applications too like I did though. :-D

""
Love fanaticism is also bad?
""

I thought I was specific in the "any kind" part. You see, everything is good in the right quantity, even love. People claim to have killed others cause they loved too much.
But anyway, we're not talking about love here.


""
yes the answer is a question because you know it best how YOU can help the open-source driver team.
And be sure its the best argument you ever dealt-with.
""

Whatever help I can give, won't make it less than a few years or months(if I'm lucky and a lot of the foundation code/research etc is there already) till I can use my pc , by when I might have a new one. :-D
Probably even if I sacrifice significant things in my life. Like kidneys, time, money(I don't have a ton of either). Among other things.
And I'm talking about using a device .. Which I already paid for .. Ain't that enough? Though it was .. :P
So better take the support I paid for and actually works for now.
If I can contribute and find it worthy, I just might. But is it logical to have to contribute to use what you paid for?
To be fair, I never paid for Linux. But Linux works(mostly? :-D), it's the drivers I have some issues with.(the ones in closed ones are more tolerable). And guess who makes those, mostly someone I did pay. Both open and closed in my case.


""
you must be genius.. did not see it coming blowed my brain away...
""

And another.
Yes, I've been seeing the irony. Don't know by what standards this makes me a genius. Oh wait, it was more irony.


""
yes Seriously the FOSS people will always fight back hard with words they are not slaves.
""

The problem is when they "fight back hard with words" or whatever against other FOSS people?
Or are you intentionally misinterpreting what I write?

""
It was a roll-playing rhetorical style I did a imagination that you are the victim of the Nazis and you survive but not healthy the gas damaged your brain and now you talk to me ..... (it also was a kind of dirty joke)

some smart people find this without explanation. Its a rhetorical style and I succeeded very much because you write here "you call me a nazi" but in fact I did not. This is the best case of all rhetorical wins because you are pissed and I can prove that I don't call you a Nazi.

Its a win by your failure

don't worry its not a big deal to lose a rhetorical battle against me.
""


Oook ..
Btw, don't if I've been more "righteous" than I should at parts, but go as far as say I'm pissed? nah ..
Have to admit the mistake on my part though. But does this imply I'm brain damaged then, still not like it .. X_x
True though, better leave rhetorical stuff for others, and stick with direct ways of communicating where I seem to do better(not necessarily well, but better ).
Oh, and win? You win what and I lose what?
I thought it was just a forum conversation, must have missed the prize ..


Btw, sorry if it makes my text less readable(to any reader of it), I'm not very familiar with how to split it into multiple ways. I can, but I find the way I know inefficient.. And I'm lazy ..
If there's some shortcut/trick/feature making it easier, I'd be glad to know.

[Rigaldo]

most people would say GPL advocates are communists-- but well yes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Its a godwin's law that every forum thread goes bankrupted by a Hitler argument.

And I’m not a god to break this natural law.

I'm innocent!

Well you mentioned the nazis?
GPL is not communist. GPL actually advocates freedom(ok, it's a license, it can't advocate much on it's own, but the point should be obvious).
Communism probably does the opposite, giving more power to less people in the end. You don't even have property of your things, someone governing you has.
I'm pretty sure I've understood this part good enough, although I'm not a politics genius, so I'm liable to mistakes here.
There's actually a philosophy if I'm not mistaken called Ubuntu(nothing to do with Canonical etc) or contributionism.

[arokh]

Is it just me or did this forum get invaded by some kind of paranoid conspiracy theorist trolls out to get nvidia? Or does asdx just have several profiles... Can't believe I'm reading this crap in an nvidia driver update thread