AMD Catalyst: Ubuntu 12.10 vs. Windows 7

[D0pamine]

Yeah, especially people who don't want to waste hours messing with config files etc and terawatts of electricity compiling stuff, like some Ubuntu users, are morons.
Not that you can't do that on Ubuntu just fine if you so wish, it's just you're not forced(but when you're not forced to do such things you're not free according to some other people too ..! )

Who knows .. There may be an alternative to closed source BIOS .. Granted I mentioned which it is in my post, but I bet people who want to go around calling others morons would know better.

Don't forget to mention the other features radeon offers, like baking bread on your laptop.
Ok, I admit I'm wrong here, people have reported their laptop running cool with radeon .. at 65-70 degrees only ..

Guess what, you're just in a slightly bigger jail(as you called it) than those "morons". Maybe even bigger not actually. Or is your hardware open too?
And it's you who is the moron if you think you're any better in some way actually.

And apparently you feel some kind of supremacy cause you're "free" unlike the rest. I guess you wouldn't even want them to use free software cause you'd lose that. That's why you advocate that if you want gui you shouldn't use Linux. That's why people ditch opensource .. And why Linux is still behind in some areas and it angers me ..
The ones where there is progress are the ones where this attitude is missing. Apparently it's not random. Heck even the software is more open in those. But some are too blind.

corrupting a free system is moronic ... nuff said

[F i L]

My point is that if you choose a free operating system why would you choose a non-free component? why not choose a complete non-free system?

Practicality.

The open drivers are not near as fast as the closed source ones today, especially on AMD hardware. I hope, as much as the next open-source enthusiast, that this changes in the near future, however it's simply not the case today. In fact, there are other problems with the open-drivers on my AMD systems beyond performance, but that's besides the point.

Ultimately, overly-zealous declarations only serve to alienate people like me, who want to support Linux and open-source software as much as possible, but also need the best quality I can get for Blender and OpenGL support. At the end of the day, people will use what works best, and if open-source development isn't producing better result, the average user will always stick to propitiatory software, they won't "jailed" by this fact, quite the opposite, better software is liberating (to the end user). I strongly believe that Open Source is better, and that open solutions will eventually out-match all closed ones. However, I also understand that individuals situations aren't always so cut-n-dry, and supporting the systems we believe in means we need to work together as much as possible.

[pandev92]

AMD blob isn't the best for me, for example when I try to watch a movie with xv output, the movie run soo slow, lag on smooth frames etrc, when I try to use gl output I receive tearing, when I try to use xvba , I receive tearing, when I try to use xbmc, I receive some artefacts on the menu....

I have a redeon 4650 mobility, and I prefer radeon driver, good xv and gl support, and run well all the games that I try, the only game that doesn't run is Oil Rush.

My laptot have a temperature of 65 degrees with the high setting.

[Pallidus]

d0pamine is going to probably be one of the first people to beg valve for steam beta access.

[D0pamine]

Practicality.

The open drivers are not near as fast as the closed source ones today, especially on AMD hardware. I hope, as much as the next open-source enthusiast, that this changes in the near future, however it's simply not the case today. In fact, there are other problems with the open-drivers on my AMD systems beyond performance, but that's besides the point.

Ultimately, overly-zealous declarations only serve to alienate people like me, who want to support Linux and open-source software as much as possible, but also need the best quality I can get for Blender and OpenGL support. At the end of the day, people will use what works best, and if open-source development isn't producing better result, the average user will always stick to propitiatory software, they won't "jailed" by this fact, quite the opposite, better software is liberating (to the end user). I strongly believe that Open Source is better, and that open solutions will eventually out-match all closed ones. However, I also understand that individuals situations aren't always so cut-n-dry, and supporting the systems we believe in means we need to work together as much as possible.

if you want to support 'open sourced' and 'linux' then use the open gpu drivers. If its not good enough for you - make a bug report or attempt to make it better yourself

If you want to support 'open sourced' and 'linux' then use the open drivers - using the closed blobs will not improve anything ....

[D0pamine]

d0pamine is going to probably be one of the first people to beg valve for steam beta access.

at the moment i'm playing a lot of foobillard against my neighbour as we're both snooker loopy but too poor to buy a 12 foot table

if there are any games available on steam that tickle my fancy i may be tempted but just more first person shooters... they'd have to be pretty special for me to make the mental effort :P

[Sonadow]

If you want to support 'open sourced' and 'linux' then use the open drivers - using the closed blobs will not improve anything ....

The blobs improve MY experience. And that's what matters.

I don't have to give a flying hoot about other people's experience.

[gamerk2]

Love the conclusion: Runs faster on Windows, driver based is shared between Windows and Linux.

Phornoix conclusion: The driver is missing optimizations on Linux
My conclusion: The Linux Kernel itself is slower then Windows for gaming

[D0pamine]

The blobs improve MY experience. And that's what matters.

I don't have to give a flying hoot about other people's experience.

well isnt it abit stupid to use a free system like ubuntu when it gives no performance advantage over windows and there is alot less commercial software available?

[F i L]

if you want to support 'open sourced' and 'linux' then use the open gpu drivers. If its not good enough for you - make a bug report or attempt to make it better yourself

If you want to support 'open sourced' and 'linux' then use the open drivers - using the closed blobs will not improve anything ....

Open Source and Linux are bigger than just graphics drivers and OpenGL. I can support parts of the whole without needing to directly contribute to every piece.

Would you prefer me to not contribute at all and use Windows/Mac simply because I need the performance and features to the blobs?