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    Quote Originally Posted by mayankleoboy1 View Post
    I agree. People who want shiny stuff
    And you can stop right there. The rest of your argument is irrelevant.
    I'm using Gnome fallback session precisely because I DONT want shiny (aka Gnome-Shell).

    In the almost 10 years that I've been using gnome, they couldn't fix a bloody taskbar.
    gnome-panel has ALWAYS crashed, regularly.
    And now you kids want to follow them along on a magic carpet ride.
    Ride the wave into the future, as they bring you the "next evolution in desktop usability".
    Well thanks, but no thanks. I'm getting off at the next stop.

    Unity,KDE,cinnamon are suffer from the same disease: Run the computer into the ground
    bringing me eye-candy I don't want, instead of staying out of my way.
    Compositing has done Z-E-R-O to improve my productivity, at the expense of increased
    hardware requirements+prices, buggy drivers, more ram+cpu.
    They all run like molasses and abondon they're original intent which was to launch applications.
    I love special effects too. But don't slow me down to look at them while I'm working!

    And now Gtk3 isn't even cross-platform any longer. I'm curious exactly what the gnome
    devs do have resources for? I'd say "it's sad to watch this organization implode, discard they're
    loyal user-base, chasing this bird in the bush." But clearly that's what they want. Best of luck to them.

    Sigh, only question now is, where to run to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by project_phelius View Post
    Sigh, only question now is, where to run to?
    I've found both LXDE and XFCE wonderful alternatives. They feel polished, (fairly) minimalistic, usable and mature. Both are properly customizable. I was a Gnome user before, tried to get used to Unity really hard, but after trying to switch between 6 xterms (or 3 IntelliJ windows) I gave up.
    I found LXDE super usable and it feels really nice to be 1 click away from anything (launch icons in taskbar + task list).

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    Quote Originally Posted by project_phelius View Post
    And you can stop right there. The rest of your argument is irrelevant.
    I'm using Gnome fallback session precisely because I DONT want shiny (aka Gnome-Shell).

    In the almost 10 years that I've been using gnome, they couldn't fix a bloody taskbar.
    gnome-panel has ALWAYS crashed, regularly.
    And now you kids want to follow them along on a magic carpet ride.
    Ride the wave into the future, as they bring you the "next evolution in desktop usability".
    Well thanks, but no thanks. I'm getting off at the next stop.

    Unity,KDE,cinnamon are suffer from the same disease: Run the computer into the ground
    bringing me eye-candy I don't want, instead of staying out of my way.
    Compositing has done Z-E-R-O to improve my productivity, at the expense of increased
    hardware requirements+prices, buggy drivers, more ram+cpu.
    They all run like molasses and abondon they're original intent which was to launch applications.
    I love special effects too. But don't slow me down to look at them while I'm working!

    And now Gtk3 isn't even cross-platform any longer. I'm curious exactly what the gnome
    devs do have resources for? I'd say "it's sad to watch this organization implode, discard they're
    loyal user-base, chasing this bird in the bush." But clearly that's what they want. Best of luck to them.

    Sigh, only question now is, where to run to?
    I ran to Ubuntu 12.04, which will remain supported until April of 2017. While I use Compiz under fallback mode, I also have a scripted widget for running metacity with the click of a button, and then switch back just as easily. I think it's the best of both worlds - pretty when I want it to be (along with some nice windowshade functionality - I can't believe how much I miss that when it's not there), and pure performance when I need it to be.

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    So long gnome, I've been using it since before 1.0, but I need a useable desktop. A simple 2 dimentional pager to switch between desktop (that has existed since long before gnome) is a necessity to me, and a dynamic number of workspaces is just stupid.

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    E17 works great on my netbook, with its ass-tastic CPU and GPU (although the GPU, being a Radeon, is probably better than the average Intel netbook GPU). Arch Linux apparently has E17 svn packages in the main repository, so installation was surprisingly easy. There are a few warts, but overall, I find it a very pleasant experience. The E17 guys claim their flashy eye-candy works fine in software mode, even on slow CPUs, but I have yet to try that. The only real slowdown I've seen was when I was transferring 30GB of files from an external hard disk to the internal hard disk, with both disks using encryption. The netbook's poor little 1.6 GHz single-core CPU was at about 50% from that alone.

    On the same machine, Unity was almost unusably slow. GNOME Shell was pretty slow, too, but its interaction paradigm was far more obnoxious than the slowness. With E17, I have the 2x2 grid of virtual desktops that I know and love, something that is apparently anathema to GNOME Shell.

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    Right now I am rather happy that there are alternatives like LXDE and XFCE.

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    My graphics card is just fine for all the 3d wizz bang. I currently use fallback mode with the gnome 3 window manager (mutter).

    I'd love to use gnome shell (and did for a while), but it is unusable if you have multiple monitors, and if you have multiple windows of the same program. A panel has been the least worst way I have found for switching between windows.

    When I did use gnome shell there was a panel extension so I was mostly okay. But every new release breaks existing extensions, and then the authors give up. I got sick and tired of trying to find a different usable panel each time hence reverting to fallback mode.

    I have been trying xfce/lxde but have generally found them crude, or duplicating existing functionality in their own apps (eg they are trying to minimize dependencies or cpu/memory, things I don't care about)

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    Angry Dropping fallback session means dropping gnome altogether.

    The new and shiny gnome-shell is something totally different than what used to be gnome, it's something else. It may share the same infrastructure, but from the users perspective it's totally different.

    For me, the only thing allowing gnome 3 to call itself gnome wash the possibility to run a "classic" session. Even when it was a hurt and disabled one. From the user point of view gnome isn't a bunch of libraries, tools and technologies, but a defined desktop environment with a defined way of working. An environment that you could customize more or less, that you could adapt to or not, that you may like or not, but a defined environment after all. The new shell of gnome 3 is a different environment, where everything but the common tools is different. It could have used a new name, but then they would have lost the prestige behind the gnome brand. So instead of that they chose to keep it and kill it.

    Dropping the fallback session means dropping what was left of gnome, leaving us with something different under the same name, something that can't be used the same way, that forces you to use the system in a new way, no matter if it gets in your way, no matter if it's a toy that prevents you from working comfortably (yes, some of us actually do WORK with the computer and don't expend all day with social networking, watching cat videos and porn). So dropping the only usable session on gnome 3 means the true gnome is dead and the new "gnome" is the only option.... or that it's time to change desktop for something else.

    After many years of being the most used desktop environment, gnome developers betrayed their users, so after being one of those users since gnome 1.0 I find myself needing a new desktop.

    Luckily xfce is a nice replacement.

    Gnome is dead! SHORT live the new Gnome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by project_phelius View Post
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    And now Gtk3 isn't even cross-platform any longer.[...]
    GTK 3.4 and 3.6 is compatible to Linux and Windoze. I have no idea if it's possible to use GTK3 apps on Mac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Licaon View Post
    Oh yeah? https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012...ing-in-threes/ Riiiiiiggggghhhtttt!

    Looks like I made the smart move switching to i3 ( http://www.i3wm.org/ ) 2 months ago, although to be fair, KDE3 and >4.2.0 served me pretty good, but what do I know, my desktop looked like this ( http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/5...anoua00031.jpg ) no matter what WM/DE.
    Just read the article, thanks.

    A few very enlightening quotes:
    Facilitating the unrestricted use of extensions and themes by end users seems contrary to the central tenets of the GNOME 3 design. ... The point is that it decreases our brand presence.
    one of the many very exciting things about GNOME Shell is that for the first time we may have ability to really shape the user experience and form an identity for the GNOME platform.
    I guess you have to decide if you are a GNOME app, an Ubuntu app, or an XFCE app
    we’re not designing a desktop for people who like to choose their own terminal emulators
    Fuck you GNOME 3

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