Reply With QuoteExactly. hopefully! The problem is that just contributing code doesn't matter. It has to be good code that does what the users want. That's the part they're missing.Originally Posted by Akka
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Hopefully someone review your code before they ad it. I don't see the problem...
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Exactly. hopefully! The problem is that just contributing code doesn't matter. It has to be good code that does what the users want. That's the part they're missing.
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you shouldn't come with "who started it" for two reasons:
1. a stupid statement remains stupid no matter if it is an answer to another stupid one or not
2. looking back to at kde 4.0 is a joke in the matter of "who started it first".
3. if you look more back then you will see that one of the main reasons why kde earned so much hate which now evolved in an often unexplained antipathy, is that kde on the older versions tried to impress with tons of features but was one of the worst coded things a computer engineer ever saw. kde was for a long long time the quality joke of the linux world, the windows in the linux world. a lot of blinky blinky, patching it together overtime to not explode on the first click.
even though i had only a short look into kde 4.x( can'T exactly remember which version it was) it seemed a lot better than what i knew from kde 2.x, 3.x. but i can't get over what i saw in the past i refuse to believe that people that created such a mess really learned how to do things better. they patched it better.
but i admit, this is a probably a short coming of my own. today there are other devs on kde than in the past and they maybe changed a lot internal things to the good. i just tell you that so that you maybe understand WHERE IT STARTED!
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Can you name some concrete examples?
since you know the code so well, this should be easy, otherwise people might think that you're making all of that up.
I've been using Linux since 1999 and KDE has always had the reputation of being well engineered.
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that's the most bizzare analogy i've heard. in any case, not only are you not trying, but lord knows you're certainly not helping. so you don't have any right whatsoever to slag others off for not, as you say, helping.
sshhhh.
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That comment is 2 years old – when Xfce was used far less often then today.
Gnome 3.0 wasn't even out, so weren't all those “If you don’t like GNOME Shell, switch to Xfce” articles.
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Those extensions are a band aid and break all the time, most of them only usable until the next point release.
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Let me fix that comment for you:
“If you look more back, then you will see that one of the main reasons why KDE earned so much hate which now evolved in an often unexplained antipathy, is that it was always very well engineered but initially used a non-free toolkit. In addition to that, the GNU folks were jealous that within only two years the KDE devs managed to get a full-featured desktop environment up and running which revealed that after their Hurd kernel they failed a second time with GNUstep. Forced to effectively abandon GNUstep they built GNOME on designs matching Microsoft Windows’ OLE and COM technologies. Secretly impressed with KDE’s source code, they ported KHTML to GNOME and called it gtkhtml which aside from the mandatory copyright header in the source code files was never again mentioned that gtkhtml is really just ported KDE software. Later Apple were so impressed with KHTML – while lacking features it was extremely well designed –, they abandoned working with Mozilla and forked KHTML into WebKit. After that even Google joined WebKit and GNOME adopted KDE technology a second time.
More envy from the GNU/GNOME crowd came from the fact that they never ever were able to build an office suite. Once started with big words, only Gnumeric emerged which was never properly married with 3rd party word processor AbiWord. OTOH Nokia being impressed with KOffice/Calligra, opted to base their mobile office viewer on that code base.
GNOME – for years not able to modernize their platform – looked once again full of envy to KDE who were able to completely rewrite their desktop, give their window manager composite features, etc. In their despair GNOME imported Clutter and Mutter, developed by 3rd party Intel, into their source tree to modernize at all costs to compete against KDE who were at that time already making advances in the mobile space with Plasma Netbook whose ‘Search and Launch’ paradigm was then adapted by GNOME, together with KDE’s Activities and an OSX-like dock and merged as GNOME Shell. In the meantime KDE revolutionize once again with silent ports of their technology to QML which GNOME once again can’t match, resulting in further trash-talking to not lose completely.”
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http://www.linkedin.com/in/williamjonmccann
Well this is obvious:
William Jon McCann's Education
The Johns Hopkins University
Physics, Film and Media Studies
1994 – 1998
No BS, he's not in the Computer Science department, literally.
Wonder how he learned to code? Given he is listed as a Senior Software Engineer
although his last job was Senior Systems Architect; Computing Lead: Advanced Camera for Surveys. WTF??
Systems Architect isn't coding. It's building computers and loading operating systems.
For fukz sake RedHat. You hiring amateurs?
I remember my old company hiring a PolySci major and a Stock Broker as Software Developers.
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I use the System-Monitor now for ~1 year and it never broke, same with the volume mixer and some other smaller stuff...Good that is a plugin for minimum 3.4 (I just installed it into 3.6 with Fedora 18, no prob)
btw. xfce4 and KDE have a start-menu and it breaks all the time!
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