GNOME 3.8 Is Dropping Its Fallback Mode

[BO$$]

Here's some insane ramblings from his blog.




WTF!?

The guy needs a girlfriend. I could never think about a desktop like that. What is wrong with him? Is he some important guy in gnome scheme? Cause if he is now we know who we need to shoot in order to make things better.

i think gnome 3 is absolutely excellent, and while it does have its flaws

How can something be absolutely excellent while having flaws? You say something is absolutely excellent when it totally satisfies your needs, not when you can spot flaws in it

So now it is up to you. Gnomes extensions are a few clicks away and you will be up to speed in a few hours. Go do that and live on. Or write 100 flames about switching to another desktop and silently continue to use gnome like so many other basement people.

In a few hours you say? Wow, it takes a few hours to get things going with gnome shell? Nice! Real progress. Took me like half a second to learn to use gnome 2...

[BO$$]

They drop it for a reason you know. All the developers who could have been hacking on the fallback went another way; They started hacking on shell extensions. Go look at extensions.gnome.org and look at the high level of activity. Lot and lots of hackers and code. This is contrasted by the stale gnome-panel where no one commits stuff.

Having hundreds of hackers playing around with extensions is not by command of the "evil nazi gnome designers". It just happens to be what motivates people. Apperently they prefer to hack on hundres of modern extensions compared to gnome-panel hacking. Off course these clear facts goes nowhere on phoronix where a bunch basement living flamemongers try to wind up some hate. Let me tell you the only place where they are "productive" is on the forums and on the toilet. Doing the same crapping..

BTW "fallback dropping" really means it moved to the gnome-world moduleset. It is still there and no one denies you the right to fetch it. The most simple way is of course to stay on gnome 3.6. Updating gnome to get new gnome-panel features is a lost cause since the panel is DEAD anyway.

So let me tell you how it is and cut all that bullshit: From a programming perspective gnome 2 was worse. Gnome 3 is better designed and so it's easier for developers to add stuff to it compared to 2. So, since developers are lazy, they jumped where it's easier. That does not mean that the UI or UX is better it just means that coders chose to write easy code. When code is easy to write we can expect a crapload of inexperienced devs jumping in and writing shitty code. Combined with the interface design skills of most programmers who can't design shit it's no wonder gnome shell is unusable. It's just laziness, and internally I think gnome shell is better than gnome 2 (I cannot guarantee this, I read it somewhere and judging by so many devs jumping onto gnome shell I think it's true) so the fact that devs go to where it's easier does not guarantee that the end result will be better.

[Licaon]

That comment is 2 years old – when Xfce was used far less often then today.

far less used maybe, but it's been *the other GTK* DE/WM for at least 5 years

[squirrl]

i don't have a degree either, if you want to say something about my skill as a coder?

Yes, actually I will. Lack of discipline that comes with the education is part of the reason GNU, Xorg, and various other projects are in their current states.

Would you want a doctor who never attended Medical School?

Example:

Had you completed a basic Computer Science education track, you'd have taken a Senior level class called Software Engineering.

They teach you the basics about deliverables, requirements gathering, and project management.

Essentially, you learn all the phases of actually developing software from providing time-lines to delivering an installation media.


Hence the problem with Gnome 3. Who gathered the requirements? Who was the customer?

[squirrl]

Here's some insane ramblings from his blog.

We want every corner of GNOME to be delightful and well cared for. The little things. Like how the calm stability of the sidebar reassures and anchors me. Or how the way automatically updating the name of my computer in the sidebar, when it changes, delights me. Or the way the application allows me to focus on my goal shows me respect. This is what we want.


WTF!?

See that only worked for Steve Jobs because he had 9 billion in various investments. Apple also had Cordell Ratzlaff. Gnome has neither a Jobs or Ratzlaff.

sigh

[Ancurio]

Hence the problem with Gnome 3. Who gathered the requirements? Who was the customer?

You forgot "Who was the paying customer?"

All the skills you described are perfectly cut for traditional proprietary software development,
and it has little to do with how FOSS projects work.

[Fenrin]

[...]Lack of discipline that comes with the education is part of the reason GNU, Xorg, and various other projects are in their current states.
[...]

these projects are well alive and in some areas successful. So I'm thinking they are in a good state, aren't they

[BO$$]

these projects are well alive and in some areas successful. So I'm thinking they are in a good state, aren't they

There is no real management so of course some parts are successful while others completely ignored. There's no one with a stick to put them to work to do the work that might not be pleasant but is necessary. It does seem that this is where open source software fails. Sometimes corporations get it right with command and control.

[Delgarde]

Those who like the fancy and shiny new stuff should go Unity, GNOME and they pay certain price in terms of perhaps more bugs and certain resource requirements (e.g. GPU).

Or less bugs, as the case may be. Ditching the fallback mode allows the removal of a *lot* of old code, and reducing complexity in code is always a good way to get the bug count down...

[uid313]

Or less bugs, as the case may be. Ditching the fallback mode allows the removal of a *lot* of old code, and reducing complexity in code is always a good way to get the bug count down...

What code gets removed with fallback mode?