Debian Switches Back To GNOME From Xfce

[Ovocean]

You guys should cool down and try to put more wisom in your life. You can never go wrong with more wisdom.

[kaszak]

Doesn't the recent gnome require systemd to be functional? How are they going to get around that?

[funkSTAR]

Doesn't the recent gnome require systemd to be functional? How are they going to get around that?

The dependency on systemd is increasing for sure. Debian can change the default in the future if they feel like. Having gnome as default covers whezzy for now. The future is unclear. Gnome will for sure end up being tied to systemd. So in reality it is not gnome which need to be accepted as default but systemd.

Systemd is linux only and is not default at Ubuntu so nothing is future proof.

[Sidicas]

The dependency on systemd is increasing for sure. Debian can change the default in the future if they feel like. Having gnome as default covers whezzy for now. The future is unclear. Gnome will for sure end up being tied to systemd. So in reality it is not gnome which need to be accepted as default but systemd.

Systemd is linux only and is not default at Ubuntu so nothing is future proof.

From what I've seen (Debian users), a lot of people don't want systemd to be a default.
1. When it breaks a system it's much harder to unbreak. On a server that needs 99.9999% uptime, this is a potential nightmare.
2. Doesn't support, and the devs of systemd have said they will likely never support... anything other than the Linux kernel. Attempts were made to get systemd to work on other kernels besides Linux and these patches were REJECTED by upstream. So systemd is almost a form of Linux kernel "lock-in". Debian needs to support the kFreeBSD kernel as well and it's a lot simpler to choose something that works on everything than maintain two different standards for the boot process (by default). If systemd could ever work with kernels other than Linux, then it's far more likely to be the default in Debian.
3. The performance gains of systemd quickly evaporate if the system is booted from an SSD.

[BO$$]

oh, if that is one of your major issues with gnome shell then there is no reason to be scared.

p.s. alt-tab is your friend. and beside of that, previously you had to go to a border and click the application, now you have to go to a corner and click the application. a trmordous big difference. i feel for you.......

p.p.s. i like your nick name. it makes very clear with whom i am writing here. quite amusing.

Yes it is a tremendous difference for fuck's sake! When I write code for android I have an eclipse window (or netbeans) and an android emulator window. I like switching between them fast. Alt tab works but it sucks when I can't reach the keyboard or don't want to (sometimes I read in bed from a distance on a laptop and it's annoying to reach the keyboard when I can use the mouse). Going to a corner and them finding your window in the list is fucking annoying. With a taskbar I see where the damn program lies easier and can switch directly (plus I always have them in an order so that I don't actually have to look at where they are, I know where to go). It is faster stop argumenting that it isn't!

[freedam]

Yes it is a tremendous difference for fuck's sake! When I write code for android I have an eclipse window (or netbeans) and an android emulator window. I like switching between them fast. Alt tab works but it sucks when I can't reach the keyboard or don't want to (sometimes I read in bed from a distance on a laptop and it's annoying to reach the keyboard when I can use the mouse). Going to a corner and them finding your window in the list is fucking annoying. With a taskbar I see where the damn program lies easier and can switch directly (plus I always have them in an order so that I don't actually have to look at where they are, I know where to go). It is faster stop argumenting that it isn't!

1) You are saying that you use eclipse only with a wireless mouse sitting far from your desktop? My congratulations, i'll never be able to do that!
2) There is the "dash to dock extension" that solves entirely your problem (i say this for others, i know you'll answer with the "i don't want to use an extension blah blah" refrain, in fact i assume you are using compiz alone or KDE with no panels, plasmoids etc.)
3) Please, learn how to troll proper, you are very boring

p.s. no, i'm not a gnome shell fan, i use KDE.

[a user]

Yes it is a tremendous difference for fuck's sake! When I write code for android I have an eclipse window (or netbeans) and an android emulator window. I like switching between them fast. Alt tab works but it sucks when I can't reach the keyboard or don't want to (sometimes I read in bed from a distance on a laptop and it's annoying to reach the keyboard when I can use the mouse).

wait, you say it is a temendous differnce when you write code for android etc. but alt+tab is not an option when you can't reach your keaybord.
how do you code for android mouse only?

now when you indeed arn't in need of a keybord and use mouse only...

Going to a corner and them finding your window in the list is fucking annoying. With a taskbar I see where the damn program lies easier and can switch directly (plus I always have them in an order so that I don't actually have to look at where they are, I know where to go). It is faster stop argumenting that it isn't!

in BOTH cases you have a list of running programms, in BOTH cases you have to find it and click on it. The ONLY difference is that on gnome shell it takes a fraction of a second to get to the list first.

but wati! in gnome shell you see your windows additionally to the list just in front of you , easy to identify as down scaled windows.

sure it is an additional edge you have to go around but don't tell me it is that of a tremendous issue.
i can accept that it is not your taste and thus do not like it. but what you are trying to make out of it is simply stupid!

this is what you come up definding your gnome shell is shitty statement? if that's all please just shut up. you are just hilarious!

[scjet]

silly little scared Debian, who used to have guts, but now they have none, M$ wins, so go to gnome forget xfce ?
..., and that sums up Debian, including their eventual, and cowardly shift to "systemd", in a nutShell.

[kaszak]

silly little scared Debian, who used to have guts, but now they have none, M$ wins, so go to gnome forget xfce ?
..., and that sums up Debian, including their eventual, and cowardly shift to "systemd", in a nutShell.

I doubt Debian devs will be keen to switch make systemd default anytime soon. It gets in the way of their kFreeBSD port, and they already have a decent custom init. And they still have Upstart(lol) as an option ;p

[BO$$]

1) You are saying that you use eclipse only with a wireless mouse sitting far from your desktop? My congratulations, i'll never be able to do that!
2) There is the "dash to dock extension" that solves entirely your problem (i say this for others, i know you'll answer with the "i don't want to use an extension blah blah" refrain, in fact i assume you are using compiz alone or KDE with no panels, plasmoids etc.)
3) Please, learn how to troll proper, you are very boring

p.s. no, i'm not a gnome shell fan, i use KDE.

1) I don't use eclipse all the time dude. I don't code absolutely all day. For example right now when I don't type here I stay about 2 metres away from my keyboard with my right hand on the mouse. Going for alt-tab is a pain and since I use lots of applications I do have to switch between them pretty frequently. One more move to the upper left corner is annoying. Why the hell are you people trying to tell me that one move is the same with no move. I have my applications in the taskbar in a certain position and I can switch almost without looking. Going to a corner then going back to the centre of the screen to scroll for my windows (as I have lots of them opened) is bad design no matter what. You can't honestly say that it's faster than the previous way. We should optimize stuff not make it slower and more cumbersome.