for the blog post? another bad example of open source developers, advocates etc doing bad to linux... We need professional tools on linux.
about the video editors on linux?
Tried kdenlive a year ago, managed to produce two videos (one of them), hated every minute of working on it, crashed all the time, problems with timing and more...
pitivi, lives, openshot... are just ...., really come on....
ended up doing job on blender, produced these there are about 50 or sth of these
didn't love it, but didn't hate it either (the usage of clips, and the definition of them in blender is kinda problematic for me)
tried lightworks (on windows, I don't have sample yet) and absolutely loved it... Yes, it has some problems with formats etc but that problems are fixable with opensource tools (ffmpeg or ffmbc)
Probably not that he doesn't believe them, but rather that he does not really see these arguments as valid for the way they have been handling the situation. I guess I kinda see what he means there, but it's subtle indeed and you have to think beyond "the guy is just a freetard ranting who has no clue what he's talking about or what users want" if you take the article as a whole, he's very understanding/empathic of the situation EditShare is in. That doesn't mean he gives them a free pass though.well if he is (aware of the legal mess), he doesn't really believes it's true, maybe he is just playing( dumb)?
well, it was mostly about the ability to change the interface etc..., for example, I need at least two clip previews to sync video and sound, kdenlive doesn't have that (as long I know and was documented back then)...
blender has it, lightworks has it...
and really when I have 3 hours of HD video x 3 cameras, as an "amateur" I can't convert all my videos to lossless (you convert your video to lossless video, not lossless matroska which is just a container), that would just mean many tb, hdds and no chance of backing up...
Not sure I understand what you mean. You can split up the clip monitor and the project monitor, but I don't know if that addresses your issue.I need at least two clip previews to sync video and sound, kdenlive doesn't have that (as long I know and was documented back then)...
I see. Terrabytes are cheap today, but I assume you would rather prefer finding a compressed format that behaves well in kdenlive. Shouldn't be too hard though, just ask in their forum.and really when I have 3 hours of HD video x 3 cameras, as an "amateur" I can't convert all my videos to lossless (you convert your video to lossless video, not lossless matroska which is just a container), that would just mean many tb, hdds and no chance of backing up...
A lot of people including the author of this post are taken astray by things like KDEnlive and such but fail to address the MAIN reason of this post:
Is Lightworks an Open Source Video Editor? Yes or No?
The answer is NO.
Everything else you want to bring in the mix is for another time.
Lightworks plans are that it WILL BE EVENTUALLY open source.
That is great news.
But right now, at this moment, you can NOT call Lightworks an Open Source editor.
Which makes your title Is-Not-As-Open-As-Some-Would-Like very transparent putting the onus on the accusers rather than on the claim of Open Source Video Editor.
To be honest, the Edithshare folks are not the ones who refer to Lightworks as an Open Source video editor but rather the sharp as always FLOSS press.
The Edithshare damage control guy who is in the comment section even says it, they are not an Open Source Video Editor.
At worst they do a lite 'open washing' thats all. They never say they are Open Source but they throw in meaningless terminologies like The Lightworks Open Source initiative and The groundbreaking Lightworks Open Source project and thats a lot of Open Sourcey titles for something they dont claim is Open Source yet.
Welcome to Open Washing. Same principle as with Green.
Look, most likely this will never come through and the world will never get to see their brilliant code. They will keep it closed and simply sell a top notch video editors for Linux for those that really need it (are 85% of web users still considering themselves Web Creators because they have a hacked version of Photoshop?). I have no problems with that.
Thats a great thing for Linux I mean I use Skype every day on Linux because not all my video contacts are on Gmail. I buy Linux games.
Lightworks is welcome to make business in Linux land. It is not illegal. It is welcomed. I hope Adobe does as well.
We need Lightworks because it theoretically allows the minute group that is involved in that technology to have high quality programs.
But we also NEED true open source projects like KDEnlive from which other free-open software editors can take ideas and code and back and forth as opposed to the Googlefied version of top down open source communities should look like.
I dont foresee Lightworks every being that.
Which is fine.
It can be the nice fancy closed souce Linux program.
Thats part of a healthy Linux eco-system which is based and built on open code and standards but can be a business ground for pay software.
Really, the only to things you _may_ be able to bitch about (once the dust has settled) is the FX-related options - but again, if you are too cheap to shell out $40-60 for that - then you should use some 'free as in crap' video-editor that is already available for you to use, free of charge
and it still doesn't change the fact, that that blog article is based on very few facts, lots of speculation and FUD.
if you read her latest posts about cairo/pango you will have made note of this (her talking to Lightworks developers; ESLightworks and Great white);
translation: " oh, i don't know what i am talking about. It's surprising that what you guys are doing at EditShare, doesn't match up with my own speculations that i've blogged and bitched about in my article... and of course, adding the apology in there for her false-claims/speculation and asking for 'slack'. lol.Originally Posted by nekohayo
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