Features Coming In For The GNOME 3.8 Desktop

[Larian]

You are even more stupid than the other guy. KDE 4.0 was forced on no one. KDE 3.5.9 and 3.5.10 were released after 4.0 and 4.1 because both 4.0 & 4.1 were considered tech previews and no distributor (except Fedora but that's cutting edge anyway) shipped KDE 4.0 by default. Kubuntu had a special KDE 4.0 remix next to the main KDE3-based one. openSUSE presented its users this desktop selection screen: http://old-en.opensuse.org/File:OS11.0-inst-6.jpg It a) gives the users the choice between both and b) clearly states that KDE 4.0 is not mature!
Mandriva, Debian, etc. didn't switch to KDE4 before 4.2.

So you shut the fuck up with your lies, idiot!

If anybody does not like the workflows of Gnome Shell, Plasma Desktop, etc., fine. Simply don't use them, don't spread lies, and piss off to Windows.

Do you even, ... you know ... think about the stuff you say before you say it? Or do you read what people say before you comment?

As for KDE, my first experience was with a Kubuntu distro during my first year of college. The layout was very Windows-like, but that meant it was easy for new users to pick up because it resembled something they were familiar with. My OS at the time was Ubuntu 6.04 (I think), and I was already grooving to the GNOME way of doing things, but the KDE machine was still usable.

Then we upgraded the machine to the 4.X release. Big mistake. It was an unwieldy mess and it turned me off of KDE, because if this was were it was going, neither I nor anyone else in the lab wanted any part of it. I understand it's gotten better (and I have it installed on this very machine), but I haven't spent time with it to check.

Regarding your Tourette syndrome, you are one sad little fellow. You substitute vitriol for argument and insults in place of points. You've done nothing in this entire thread but go out of your way to make anyone with whom you disagree feel uncomfortable. What a fascinating life you must lead. Tell us of your accomplishments and achievements in life that we might be gratified and uplifted; inspired to greatness by your shining example! Or we can all take a good, hard look at reality and realize that you sound like a 12 year old who's off his meds. You're being a dick, and you impress no one - least of all with your intellect and mastery of prose.

[squirrl]

You are even more stupid than the other guy. KDE 4.0 was forced on no one. KDE 3.5.9 and 3.5.10 were released after 4.0 and 4.1 because both 4.0 & 4.1 were considered tech previews and no distributor (except Fedora but that's cutting edge anyway) shipped KDE 4.0 by default. Kubuntu had a special KDE 4.0 remix next to the main KDE3-based one. openSUSE presented its users this desktop selection screen: http://old-en.opensuse.org/File:OS11.0-inst-6.jpg It a) gives the users the choice between both and b) clearly states that KDE 4.0 is not mature!
Mandriva, Debian, etc. didn't switch to KDE4 before 4.2.

So you shut the fuck up with your lies, idiot!

If anybody does not like the workflows of Gnome Shell, Plasma Desktop, etc., fine. Simply don't use them, don't spread lies, and piss off to Windows.

Actually it was forced on everyone!
Ubuntu/Kubuntu forced it
Suse forced it
Fedora forced it.

I mean shit, you had the choice of not upgrading but support drops after a while.

Even Arch forced it.
Slackware? Forced! But not before some old regulars let Volkerding hold it.

Choice of new software is fixed like most elections.

[deanjo]

Actually it was forced on everyone!
Ubuntu/Kubuntu forced it
Suse forced it
Fedora forced it.

I mean shit, you had the choice of not upgrading but support drops after a while.

Even Arch forced it.
Slackware? Forced! But not before some old regulars let Volkerding hold it.

Choice of new software is fixed like most elections.

openSUSE offered KDE 3 until openSUSE 11.2 and KDE 4.3. Even then 3.5.10 was still available to install from the repositories. After that with it being the last maintained KDE 3 release, I really don't know what else you could expect of them.

[Nevertime]

Choice of new software is fixed like most elections.

And you'd rather fix the election so we'd only get old software?

[Awesomeness]

As for KDE, my first experience was with a Kubuntu distro during my first year of college. The layout was very Windows-like, but that meant it was easy for new users to pick up because it resembled something they were familiar with. My OS at the time was Ubuntu 6.04 (I think), and I was already grooving to the GNOME way of doing things, but the KDE machine was still usable.

Then we upgraded the machine to the 4.X release. Big mistake. It was an unwieldy mess and it turned me off of KDE, because if this was were it was going, neither I nor anyone else in the lab wanted any part of it. I understand it's gotten better (and I have it installed on this very machine), but I haven't spent time with it to check.

Nobody with half a brain will get fooled by your attempt to cover up your lie by now writing “4.X” instead your original 4.0 lie.
The fact remains and I repeat: Kubuntu never ever forced KDE 4.0 on anyone because Kubuntu 8.04’s main release shipped KDE 3.5. KDE 4.0 was only available as an unsupported Kubuntu Remix. Proof: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.04-release
If your college’s IT department chose to install that remix onto production machines, they are a bunch of retarded monkeys.

BTW: GNOME Shell is written in JavaScript and can easily be extended. Therefore is more configurable than any GNOME 2.x version ever released.

[Larian]

Nobody with half a brain will get fooled by your attempt to cover up your lie by now writing “4.X” instead your original 4.0 lie.
The fact remains and I repeat: Kubuntu never ever forced KDE 4.0 on anyone because Kubuntu 8.04’s main release shipped KDE 3.5. KDE 4.0 was only available as an unsupported Kubuntu Remix. Proof: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.04-release
If your college’s IT department chose to install that remix onto production machines, they are a bunch of retarded monkeys.

BTW: GNOME Shell is written in JavaScript and can easily be extended. Therefore is more configurable than any GNOME 2.x version ever released.

I am now convinced of your mental deterioration.

I haven't given KDE a spin since 4.0 because it was a disaster. It was every bit as usable and customizable as GNOME 3 when it was first forced on people.

I never said 4.0 was forced on anyone. I said GNOME 3 was. Of KDE 4, I said it was a disaster. I also made it plain in a later post that we voluntarily decided to try out the latest and greatest KDE and didn't like what we saw.

I do look forward to your next failed attempt to twist my words into something I never said. I suspect it will hinge on my use of "4.0 / 4.X". But here's a nice nugget for you in the meantime: My first experience with the KDE 4 branch sucked dick. Your championing of it makes me like it even less.

[Akka]

I never said 4.0 was forced on anyone. I said GNOME 3 was. Of KDE 4, I said it was a disaster. I also made it plain in a later post that we voluntarily decided to try out the latest and greatest KDE and didn't like what we saw.

You was not supposed to use 4.0 in a production environment. It was the latest but certainly not the greatest version in that time.

[Larian]

You was not supposed to use 4.0 in a production environment.

This machine was never intended to be used for serious work. In fact, this computer wasn't even in the lab offices, but rather in the SPS lounge downstairs where we hung out.

[Anixx]

openSUSE offered KDE 3 until openSUSE 11.2 and KDE 4.3. Even then 3.5.10 was still available to install from the repositories. After that with it being the last maintained KDE 3 release, I really don't know what else you could expect of them.

openSUSE offers KDE3 now, as of openSUSE 12.2. Not on the install screen, but from the main repository.

[Fenrin]

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I never said 4.0 was forced on anyone. I said GNOME 3 was. [...]

That is not true either. Apart from Fedora and openSUSE the most popular distributions just dropped Gnome 3. You are free to use Unity, Mate or Cinnamon.