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    Default Lenovo UEFI Only Wants To Boot Windows, RHEL

    Phoronix: Lenovo UEFI Only Wants To Boot Windows, RHEL

    It turns out that for at least one of Lenovo's computer models, their UEFI implementation is explicitly checking for Windows or Red Hat Enterprise Linux and refusing to boot the UEFI-installed system if neither operating system is reported...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTIyOTg

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoronix View Post
    Phoronix: Lenovo UEFI Only Wants To Boot Windows, RHEL
    With UEFI-secure-boot the freedom of choice died.

    You are not a Free Human you are a slave of big companyís like Microsoft or Red-Hat!

    That is the next-generation in the Nazi-Corporatism plan.

    Only Company do have rights and with more money in the share-hold of the company the right grow up.

    Xbox and PS3 prove that the companyís can do whatever they like with the "consumer" because they don't have any rights.

    O well yes you have the right to not buy Xbox,PS3,blue-ray(),dvd(css copy-protection),UEFI-secure hardware and in the next generation CPU's with build in DRM like Intel TCPA trusted computing and so one and so one.

    In other words you do have the right to DIE!

    You do not have the right to participate in the society because all "digital-land" is "private" and you have to give up all your rights to Google,Facebook,Microsoft,Sony,Valve if you want to contact your friends on there "platform" like "steam" .

    And there "house right" gives them the power to kick you out in no time.

    Welcome to the new world of no-human-rights in the digital land of the Internet-New-World-Order


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    Wait, they are "looking into the problem" when they explicitly coded a string check into the bios? That is not the sort of thing you can do by accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackCat View Post
    Wait, they are "looking into the problem" when they explicitly coded a string check into the bios? That is not the sort of thing you can do by accident.
    No, but on the other hand, only a complete tool thinks that stupid shit like that happens because of some on-high corporate policy and not just because of an incompetent programmer who didn't think through what he was doing and half-ass fixed some other bug or misinterpreted spec.

    The classic corollary to Occam's Razor always holds true: never ascribe to malevolence that which can be explained by stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elanthis View Post
    No, but on the other hand, only a complete tool thinks that stupid shit like that happens because of some on-high corporate policy and not just because of an incompetent programmer who didn't think through what he was doing and half-ass fixed some other bug or misinterpreted spec.

    The classic corollary to Occam's Razor always holds true: never ascribe to malevolence that which can be explained by stupidity.
    an explicit check for "windows" and "red hat" is NOT a mistake made due to stupidity!

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    Quote Originally Posted by elanthis View Post
    No, but on the other hand, only a complete tool thinks that stupid shit like that happens because of some on-high corporate policy and not just because of an incompetent programmer who didn't think through what he was doing and half-ass fixed some other bug or misinterpreted spec.
    The classic corollary to Occam's Razor always holds true: never ascribe to malevolence that which can be explained by stupidity.
    Only a complete tool ? you mean fool right?

    Make it complex and there will be many errors thatís UEFI.
    Make it simple and there will be much less errors thatís COREBOOT.

    We will see many more of these kind of problems.

    By accident,stupidity or even by evil conspiracy.

    We do not know the real cause but we know that UEFI is not a solution build with freedom in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by necro-lover View Post
    Only a complete tool ? you mean fool right?

    Make it complex and there will be many errors thatís UEFI.
    Make it simple and there will be much less errors thatís COREBOOT.

    We will see many more of these kind of problems.

    By accident,stupidity or even by evil conspiracy.

    We do not know the real cause but we know that UEFI is not a solution build with freedom in mind.
    Even TianoCore and top of coreboot would be better as you wouldn't need to relly on the vendor to fix bugs or make changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elanthis View Post
    No, but on the other hand, only a complete tool thinks that stupid shit like that happens because of some on-high corporate policy and not just because of an incompetent programmer who didn't think through what he was doing and half-ass fixed some other bug or misinterpreted spec.

    The classic corollary to Occam's Razor always holds true: never ascribe to malevolence that which can be explained by stupidity.
    Yes you are right, not lenovo wants to remove support for linux, BUT Microsoft and co is clever enough to know that such bugs will happen all the time, and they know that bugs that hits the bigger ones in this case microsoft get fixed soon, they dont even care if one oem would have to take back 1mio laptops and destroy them... but it will cause way way more problems for linux or even worse some small linux projekts. So the walls get bigger to start some small stuff... its like what we have in germany each company have to be member of a monopolistic lobby-group. You must be member of this company if you make a company. So this lobby-group are totaly organanised by the big players, its like EU where we talk about democracy and then only Germany says what will happen. but even worse in eu theoreticaly the other countries could stop such stuff in this case they cannot not even theoreticly. So what do the big players make, they say each company have to pay at lest 10 trillion euros forced fee to be forced member of this lobby group. the lobby group makes then in the politic only stuff for the big companies + some small stuff for the small ones so its not tooo clear what they do. Why do they do this, you would say they have to pay 10 trillions too the big players, yes but for a big company this 10 trillions are 0.0001 % of their income and for the small ones its 50% of their income. So they can hinder that to much new companys come to the market. We call this "handelskammer" or something like that. "Verbšnde"

    And the other more IT-ish example is the bios-power-management stuff, but there it was not only broken by made to complicate so that it gave calculated problems with linux because of bad hardware-designers. there we have the emails that tell us that it was designed to explizitily not work under linux without extreme man-power. Haloween-documents.

    So if that was a practic that was used against linux, I rethink my statement that you are right, even it would be bad enough that they calculate and only make this useless feature to create problems for the small companies. why should they actively worked to make powermanagement unusable under non-windows-os, why should they not do the same with the windows-only-boot-security-system.


    UPDATE:

    I googled it, what I meaned about ACPI, it was not in the halloween documents but there are documents:
    http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowa...00/PX03020.pdf

    So in this time the head of microsoft tries to figur out if its technicaly possible to make acpi windows-only like as much as possible, he does there not ask if it would be legaly ok or something like that, he does not care about that. So and when we see how well acpi works with microsoft and how bad it works under linux (its better than it was but its still not working with all computers) it seems he suceeded.

    Its like somebody says on facebook I will run amok tomorow in the school xy... then 1 day later somebody did run amok there, 10 dead people are there, the offendor gets away without seeing getting seen from somebody who survived. And the facebook poster has no alliby. I think that facebook poster would have some problems... and if its even known that he is good with weapons (seems to have the knowledge and abilitys to do this) I think he would become heavy problems, would get quetions 48hours or so... why again did this not happen with bill gates? ok it did not happen because money making is a good thing no matter how... even if you kill people for that. but it seems it happend before, so I cannot agree that you have to be a tool to belive they do it here again.

    But again even if I and others are here conspiracy theorizer, its clear that they at least know that developers make much much bugs and they will profitate from this bugs because windows-related bugs get fixed faster or even gets fixed while some low-user-linuxdistri problems gets slow or even not at all fixed. So they did win... not to mention they many manhours smaller companies / users have to invest to get it working at all even on non-buggy implementations... thats easier to manage for microsoft too.
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    Here's something funny.

    I got something similar on the Intel motherboard i have. Yes that intel The FOSS loving, Linux hacker employing, incompetent moron firmware engineer employing, "we dont support linux on this motherboard", "we dont support adding entries to the boot menu" Intel.

    And at last i am able to boot the fucking thing properly. All i had to do was create a fake Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi file to my EFI partition.

    Fucking morons.


    I don't think i will ever purchase another fucking thing from intel for the rest of my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by necro-lover View Post
    slave of big companyís
    Nazi-Corporatism
    you do have the right to DIE!
    new world of no-human-rights
    Internet-New-World-Order
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

    Quote Originally Posted by necro-lover View Post
    you have to give up all your rights to [...] Valve if you want to contact your friends on there "platform" like "steam" .
    *their.
    True, you need an account but so would you on a jabber server. But then I use https://code.google.com/p/pidgin-opensteamworks and it works reasonably well for text messages.

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