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Thread: Ubuntu Prepares To Kill Off Metacity, Ups Compiz

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    Quote Originally Posted by timofonic View Post
    Gnome Design Team decisions are too absurd too. They are extremely similar to the way the Windows 8 interface is, they want to convert computer uses into retards only able to use TabletPCs.
    You never tried Windows 8 interface in person, it is differerent from Gnome Shell (coming before it) that still retains some old paradigms like workspace.
    At least, users can customize Gnome Shell as they wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2kx View Post
    One year ago, Sam was a bit depressed because Compiz did not work as good as he wanted. 12 months later and he, Daniel and others turned it all around and Compiz is now a highly performant, good working solution. The remaining bugs will be dealt with soon.
    Sam recently left Canonical

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    Oliver prepares to kill of Ubuntu, UPs <some other distro>.


    I use Ubuntu on my old T42 (2.1 GHz Pentium-m, 2gb ram). I really realy tried unity. It worked okay, but was very annoying to work with. I really mostly use it for e-mail, web browsing and occasionally some terminals. But the whole 'one app at a time' approach unity takes is just really horrible. For a tablet, yeah sure I can even understand it. But for my 'couch PC' it was just not cutting it. So after a few months I went with fallback mode.

    I never like the compiz performance, maybe the hardware is to old, maybe the Radeon 9600 using the r300g driver is getting to stressed, it was never smooth so 'classic' (read metacity) mode it was. It was acceptable. I've upgarded to 12.04 when it came out (skipped 11.10 i belive) but it has been really slow ever since. Maybe my firefox is using up to much resources from having to many inactive tabs up (30 or so) or god knows what.

    Now it's time to look for a new distro I guess. As said, on spiffy fast new hardware, sure it'll be fine. On a tablet? Absolutely. I would get that (maybe a slimmed down light version of ubuntu, ubuntu-light. Well gbuntu ).

    I still do think Mark/Ubuntu is trying to make Ubuntu significant, at any cost (think .Net/mono), but in trying to be so, they are more looking like Windows 8 for example. While I salute there intentions, I'm not sure if I'm fully in favor of their methods, and while I 'worship' RMS, I sometimes also think he may be too much on the opposite (but not by much .

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    Why do any of you care that they removed the requirement of metacity (gnome2 wm) from unity's installer?!? I doubt a single one of you can explain themselves without spouting crap.

    None of you ever interact with metacity unless your installing and now its doing the correct behavior of using compiz for the installer. Thus making the installer and the complexity of unity's stack lighter, and simplier. One less WM to debug and worry about. Metacity is also still in the repo's. I can not find a single thing here to critize but you baboons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BO$$ View Post
    Doesn't metacity work without hw acceleration? And compiz requires it? If this is true than Canonical is really insane.
    No, it's not insane. Canonical is moving in the "we don't care if your old-ass/underpowered machine works with our main distro/DE" direction. They tried to support those users with Unity2D, but Unity2D lost its main dev and it's dead. Those users will just have to use K/X/Lubuntu (or another distro more suited for their machine) instead of holding back the rest of the community.
    I don't agree with some of Canonical's decisions (I use Debian nowadays), but this isn't one of them. They obviously want compiz on the LiveCD and not taking up space with the metacity binary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oliver View Post
    On a tablet? Absolutely. I would get that (maybe a slimmed down light version of ubuntu, ubuntu-light. Well gbuntu ).
    Yeah, only a slimmed down version could work on a tablet. They are low-power devices, and having all these fancy effects is just crazy. Add the LLVM requirement, add a software keyboard requirement, and add the fact that all scrollbars on Unity are one pixel wide, and you can see how Ubuntu is not really meant for tablets either. Only something that is specifically tailored for tablets, like Plasma Active or the Mer UXs, works well on tablets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oliver View Post
    Now it's time to look for a new distro I guess.
    Or just apt-get install xubuntu-desktop

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanL View Post
    No, it's not insane. Canonical is moving in the "we don't care if your old-ass/underpowered machine works with our main distro/DE" direction. They tried to support those users with Unity2D, but Unity2D lost its main dev and it's dead. Those users will just have to use K/X/Lubuntu (or another distro more suited for their machine) instead of holding back the rest of the community.
    I don't agree with some of Canonical's decisions (I use Debian nowadays), but this isn't one of them. They obviously want compiz on the LiveCD and not taking up space with the metacity binary.
    I'm almost exactly like you, although I recently ditched Debian for Arch since Debian was failing to get the simplest things done for no apparent reason.

    Ubuntu is becoming a modern mainstream distro, designed for mainstream systems. While i too feel many of canonicals decisions are, simply put, stupid, many of them are beginning to make sense. Ubuntu isn't about having the most compatible and resource friendly system, its about making linux a deskop PC. Ubuntu also doesn't intend to follow the linux philosophy entirely. Don't treat Ubuntu as a one-size-fits-all distro and it won't seem so stupid. Also, with Steam basically endorsing Ubuntu and vise versa, neither of them wants to be the blame for people getting glitches. The computers that won't run Ubuntu won't work well with steam either.

    The only serious problem I see is Ubuntu is basically the linux standard and so these decisions of canonical, smart or stupid, or successful or failed, are going to give the wrong impression of what linux REALLY is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmidtbag View Post
    Ubuntu isn't about having the most compatible and resource friendly system, its about making linux a deskop PC.
    They're going a funny way about it, then. Unity works fairly well on my netbook, but it's a disaster on a larger screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmidtbag View Post
    I'm almost exactly like you, although I recently ditched Debian for Arch since Debian was failing to get the simplest things done for no apparent reason.
    It is a normal part of the Debian life cycle. A code freeze is announced and all effort goes into the testing branch to squash every bug possible before the next stable release. Multiply that for all the architectures supported. That is the way it has always been. That is why Debian Stable is so stable. The next Debian will be Gnome 3.4 based, and Xfce4 will be 4.8, and that is not going to change. If you want bleeding edge you need to run Sid and dip into experimental, and you really need to know what you are doing. Once Wheezy is released there will be an explosion of activity in Sid and so the cycle begins again.


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