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    Quote Originally Posted by blackiwid View Post
    I dont agree to your statement Stallman thinks that you do harm people
    Sorry, I don't follow.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackiwid View Post
    and he also things that government should forbit proprietary software...
    I'm not exactly sure he said exactly that. I'm pretty sure he definitely stated government should use open, unencumbered document standards; it is also quite likely that he said government should use free software whenever a free alternative exists. He definitely didn't say "government should forbid proprietary software".

    In any case, at least in the US, it makes sense. All works made by the US government are public, and fall into the public domain. As the government is (officially) taxpayer funded, people should be able to use governmental works. It's not that much of a leap of imagination to apply the same reasoning to the tools the government is using.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackiwid View Post
    I agree with what he says but he is not a use whatever you want but dont call yourself a fsf-guy or something like that, what you tried to say...
    Yes, he is a bit more radical than that - he is going to call you out if you pretend how "freedom friendly" you are, while you aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterKraus View Post
    Sorry, I don't follow.


    I'm not exactly sure he said exactly that. I'm pretty sure he definitely stated government should use open, unencumbered document standards; it is also quite likely that he said government should use free software whenever a free alternative exists. He definitely didn't say "government should forbid proprietary software".
    I think I heard something like that in a youtube video (which he would hate that somebody uploaded his video there but whatever ^^).

    He definatly said, making propriatary software is a crime:

    "When Brian Reid in 1979 placed time bombs in the Scribe markup language and word processing system to restrict unlicensed access to the software, Stallman proclaimed it "a crime against humanity."[17] He clarified, years later, that it is blocking the user's freedom that he believes is a crime, not the issue of charging for the software"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman

    so normaly one of the most important tasks a government have is to forbit crimes... good its not directly what I said but implicit.

    and the clarification is no relativation... proprietary software != charging people for (distributing them) software... or even sell them software if they get then the source and all rights...

    Maybe he dont belive in government what would not be very wonderish if you live in america. but he things that that are crimes...

    And he just defines freedom of choice in another way then you do... by using non-free software you automaticly limit the freedom of choice and you limit the freedom of yourself and all your people around you... because you cant be a good naighbor and stuff like that...

    So I would go further than you and stallman too... but I use a mobile ^^ but if my name would be richard stallman I would propably do the same for security issues... he have many enemies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhux View Post
    If you hate slavery, why do you advocate the GPL?
    http://noordering.wordpress.com/2009...l-is-not-free/
    Quote Originally Posted by Pallidus View Post
    GTFO outta here and take your fail piece of shit os with you

    Nobody wants you here
    You heard him Cthulhux (BSD Troll), go screwed and please for the sake of the world get on your BSD infected computers, su to root and type in:

    ShitBSD# rm -rf /

    or even better,

    ShitBSD# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/{all your partitions} bs=1G

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    And replace it by what? Windows? Or, even worse, Dumbux? Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterKraus View Post

    *snip*

    Point #1: Now, the idea of all that was never to be the one and only option, to burn and erase all other proprietary softwares, and to make sure you can run only the "tagged" stuff. It was actually the exact opposite - to provide you with the (true) freedom of choice, with an alternative. It's like free range vs caged chicken - arguably, there the benefits of each are more clearly cut (conscience vs cost). And it also describes the current goal of FSF - you wouldn't want to buy free range eggs, only to find out that only 95% of them are really free range, and that it's at the distributor's disposal whether he decides to swap some eggs in your package for caged ones...

    *snip*

    Point #2:Stallman and people at FSF usually assume that people reading their statements are not retarded and can perform a critical analysis. I would be very surprised, if in any of their publications you found recommendations on what you "generally should and shouldn't do" (as opposed to "do to remain truly FSF-free"). In any case, I do believe what Stallman says to be incredibly relevant, especially as he is one of the only people taking such a critical stance. I do not pretend I do what he suggests I do, but I do not pretend I am running only FSF-compatible stuff either.
    Any sane, non-retarded person is not going to buy point #1 considering how RMS has made it very clear that he would outlaw closed and proprietary software given the opportunity to do so. Just as he feels he is entitled to destroy the business model of major software houses all over the world in the name of liberty. businesses have the right to protect their proprietary work using any lawful means necessary

    Point #2 is absolute rubbish as well: RMS has made it known time and again that he would rather have you use closed software on Linux than on Windows or OS X. And how is that supposed to the truly 'FSF-free'? That man just has a bone to pick with closed software, period. He has no intention of giving people that choice to choose between closed and FOSS in his little la-la land.

    I made a conscious decision to go full proprietary after using Linux for 4 years and I will fight to the death to protect my freedom to reject my freedom for the sake of powerful proprietary software that I can rely on to get what I want to do done. And to escape from all these 'you-are-using-proprietary-software-on-linux-you-are-destroying-the-philosophy-of-FOSS' attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonadow View Post
    I made a conscious decision to go full proprietary after using Linux for 4 years and I will fight to the death to protect my freedom to reject my freedom for the sake of powerful proprietary software
    BWAHAHAHAHAHA

    This keeps getting better and better! :rofl:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhux View Post
    If you hate slavery, why do you advocate the GPL?
    http://noordering.wordpress.com/2009...l-is-not-free/
    Isn't one of the basic mistakes this, what he repeats in the comments?
    as a user, I would like to go “hmm, this program doesn’t do what I want quite, I’m going to extend it with my code”, and then chose to distribute *my* code any which way I like.

    He can surely write his extensions to gpl code any way he likes and distribute *his* code any way he likes, he just can't distribute it together with gpl code under a nonfree license. And the user can completely legally get a copy of the gpl code, get the author's extensions to the code and use it together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonadow View Post
    considering how RMS has made it very clear that he would outlaw closed and proprietary software given the opportunity to do so.
    Has he? I think there's a good chance he might if he had the 'power' but has he actually said this? I'd like to hear his actual words on this.

    On the other hand there's no doubt in my mind that Microsoft would have made open source illegal had they been able to. Heck, there was even the 'International Intellectual Property Alliance' consisting of RIAA/MPAA amongst others claiming that open source was 'un-american'. And let's not forget Microsoft OS chief saying 'open source stifles innovation', LOL.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonadow View Post
    Just as he feels he is entitled to destroy the business model of major software houses all over the world in the name of liberty. businesses have the right to protect their proprietary work using any lawful means necessary
    In what context does this apply to the discussion? Is RMS somehow able to outlaw proprietary software?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonadow View Post
    Point #2 is absolute rubbish as well: RMS has made it known time and again that he would rather have you use closed software on Linux than on Windows or OS X.
    Well obviously since he is against proprietary software he'd want people to use as little proprietary software as possible, Windows and OSX are both proprietary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonadow View Post
    He has no intention of giving people that choice to choose between closed and FOSS in his little la-la land.
    How could he possibly prevent it? All he can do, and is doing is to say what he thinks of proprietary software and try to provide FOSS alternatives.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonadow View Post
    I made a conscious decision to go full proprietary after using Linux for 4 years and I will fight to the death to protect my freedom to reject my freedom for the sake of powerful proprietary software that I can rely on to get what I want to do done. And to escape from all these 'you-are-using-proprietary-software-on-linux-you-are-destroying-the-philosophy-of-FOSS' attacks.
    Your bullshit absolutely reeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XorEaxEax View Post
    Your bullshit absolutely reeks.
    I know this is not my fight, but I had to jump in here because this really isn't an argument. You see, I like watching the show this has stirred up, and I see an opportunity for a much better (and therefore much more interesting and amusing) rejoinder than "this smell like poop." You can deconstruct an argument better than that.

    Now god damn it, get in there and entertain me!

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    Basically you should choose your software by what it does for you, not for its license.

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