Richard Stallman Calls Ubuntu "Spyware"

[ElderSnake]

Both installing Ubuntu and using the lens is not something that happens without the user noticing, so following your logic I guess that's also opt-in, no?

Isn't that splitting straws a bit though? I mean I see your point, but with a web browser even the most basic user knows that the browser will be generally connecting them to the World Wide Web.

Most users, I assume, would generally assume a local search to be just that, a local search. Not have their queries for even the Terminal to be sent somewhere else.

However, this could be opt-in as you describe, if they would just put a notice giving the information or dialog asking permission for this feature at the time of installing, so no-one can be possibly left in the dark. I don't see why Canonical could consider this unreasonable.

[locovaca]

Both installing Ubuntu and using the lens is not something that happens without the user noticing, so following your logic I guess that's also opt-in, no?

So installing Kazaa should've been considered "opt-in" too?

[mdias]

Isn't that splitting straws a bit though? I mean I see your point, but with a web browser even the most basic user knows that the browser will be generally connecting them to the World Wide Web.

Most users, I assume, would generally assume a local search to be just that, a local search. Not have their queries for even the Terminal to be sent somewhere else.

However, this could be opt-in as you describe, if they would just put a notice giving the information or dialog asking permission for this feature at the time of installing, so no-one can be possibly left in the dark. I don't see why Canonical could consider this unreasonable.

I fully agree with you. I just meant that this isn't something linear, just like you said, the same logic cant be applied everywhere. There will always be a line that separates when you should assume the software will not violate your own ideals of privacy or not. Since this line is obviously different from user to user, and there's no considerable harm done (plus, most average users probably don't care), i can see why canonical thinks Stallman is exagerating, and I agree with them.

[Pawlerson]

RMS IS ALWAYS CORRECT AND THOSE WHO DISAGREE ARE MICROSOFT/APPLE DRONES AND ARE LIERS!!!!!!!

I admire the efforts of people like crazycheese, kraftman and asdx. I feel the pain and burden they have to go through to deal with/reply to the crap put out by all the Anti-Stallman (which are also freedom hating) people and BSD trolls/zealots in this forum.

I like Pawlson and ArchLinux's come back at the BSD MORON Cthulhux.

Cthulhux, you should be totallly a shame of urself for using and advocating such a SHIT-PATHETIC and yet EVIL FREEDOM HATING ENSLAVING OS. Everyone here that BSD particularly FreeBSD exist only to voluntarily help the efforts of Evil empires aka M$ and rotten apples suprise and kill freedom and stallman so anyone who uses their horrors (BSD) are guilty of facilitating that effort.

You make me SICK Cthulhux, --> SICK!!!! <--

It's sad that bsd fanboys are so blind they don't notice their stupidity. In yours logic everyone is bad, except bsd boys who can throw shit whenever they like and those poor boys are victims of EVIL Penguins from the Moon who dare to prove them wrong. Go for therapy or something. Btw. I consider Stalman is right only in few things, so this shows how inacurate yours reply is. Furthermore, ArchLinux' posts are very generous and sane why Cthulhux was acting like a trolly fanboy, but you didn't see this which is something natural for freebsd blinded crowd.

[disi]

I admire the efforts of people like crazycheese, kraftman and asdx. I feel the pain and burden they have to go through to deal with/reply to the crap put out by all the Anti-Stallman (which are also freedom hating) people and BSD trolls/zealots in this forum.

Wait, doesn't IE already suck?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrMOBKHqqc8

[BSD BullShitDistro]

RMS IS ALWAYS CORRECT AND THOSE WHO DISAGREE ARE MICROSOFT/APPLE DRONES AND ARE LIERS!!!!!!!

I admire the efforts of people like crazycheese, kraftman and asdx. I feel the pain and burden they have to go through to deal with/reply to the crap put out by all the Anti-Stallman (which are also freedom hating) people and BSD trolls/zealots in this forum.

I like Pawlson and ArchLinux's come back at the BSD MORON Cthulhux.

Cthulhux, you should be totallly a shame of urself for using and advocating such a SHIT-PATHETIC and yet EVIL FREEDOM HATING ENSLAVING OS. Everyone here that BSD particularly FreeBSD exist only to voluntarily help the efforts of Evil empires aka M$ and rotten apples suprise and kill freedom and stallman so anyone who uses their horrors (BSD) are guilty of facilitating that effort.

You make me SICK Cthulhux, --> SICK!!!! <--

I couldn't agree more

[blackiwid]

I can't stand his opinions, he is the reason people hate closed software and think their developers are evil. The world doesn't work like that. There are no good or evil people.

ähh yes... you are right there are no bad people at alle... that are completly evil, but there are people who do bad or good things... and if you let your code get or do it yourself under a closed source lisense you do a evil thing... that makes you not a totaly evil person... but there you harm people...

maybe you integrated no malicious code but you help somebody a company to bring more people to use that software, and maye when thats the big market leader they hire some people to integrate malicious code... or even if they dont... they have total controll they often vendor lockin with formats... or kill the need to make a free version of this software... then they say maybe ohh you want that this mini feature will get integrated in the software 3 lines of code... pay us a trillion... such stuff... yes you can look on the gnu sites what else for problems you generate and why its evil to develop and release such stuff...

[Cthulhux]

Cthulhux, you should be totallly a shame of urself for using and advocating such a SHIT-PATHETIC and yet EVIL FREEDOM HATING ENSLAVING OS.

If you hate slavery, why do you advocate the GPL?
http://noordering.wordpress.com/2009...l-is-not-free/

[Pallidus]

If you hate slavery, why do you advocate the GPL?
http://noordering.wordpress.com/2009...l-is-not-free/

GTFO outta here and take your fail piece of shit os with you

Nobody wants you here

[Cthulhux]

Don't worry, your mommy will be here soon.