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    Default New Features Coming Up For PulseAudio 3.0

    Phoronix: New Features Coming Up For PulseAudio 3.0

    The release of PulseAudio 3.0 is imminent and here's an overview of the features coming up for this debated sound server...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTI0OTk

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    Default The FUNDAMENTAL flaw in PulseAudio

    PulseAudio may be the greatest thing since sliced bread in many respects, but here is one place where it FAILS TOTALLY:

    From their web site:

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    You are expected to know your way around if you use system mode. You are using PA against the explicit recommendations of the maintainers, so don't expect particularly enthusiastic support from them in doing so.

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    HELLO! They should put PulseAudio EVERYWHERE. It should be in your TV and your headphones and your speakers and your MP3 player. I have NO IDEA how PulseAudio is going to succeed if the developers have this DUMB mind-set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frantaylor View Post
    PulseAudio may be the greatest thing since sliced bread in many respects, but here is one place where it FAILS TOTALLY:

    From their web site:

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    You are expected to know your way around if you use system mode. You are using PA against the explicit recommendations of the maintainers, so don't expect particularly enthusiastic support from them in doing so.

    ---

    HELLO! They should put PulseAudio EVERYWHERE. It should be in your TV and your headphones and your speakers and your MP3 player. I have NO IDEA how PulseAudio is going to succeed if the developers have this DUMB mind-set.
    Are you volunteering to offer support for "PulseAudio EVERYWHERE"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bug77 View Post
    Are you volunteering to offer support for "PulseAudio EVERYWHERE"?
    Perhaps your English is not so good! Can you tell the difference between "making an observation" and "volunteering for work"?

    You know that software like PulseAudio has security issues, and so it needs to be updated regularly?

    If you patch up PulseAudio so you can embed it in your device, now you have a patch that needs to be maintained. If you sell a device that embeds PulseAudio, now you have added complication to your software update process and your users are going to be vulnerable for longer.

    If you want your product to achieve market penetration you need to make it EASY for your code to propogate, not HARD.

    Besides the PulseAudio developers would find their work to be EASIER if they supported a wide range of platforms because they will be will be talking to other copies of PulseAudio instead of whatever Apple is using and whatever Google is using and whatever samsung is using etc.

    Yes indeed it is possible to open the hood and look at the engine and make observations and your name does not need to be John DeLorean or Ferdinand Porsche. It is indeed possible for potential users of product to decide "this mess is not worth my time" and they can only do that by looking with a critical eye.

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    From a user perspective PulseAudio is fantastic. The only thing lacking is the ease of mixing different channels, especially for INPUT.

    Example if I want to record audio from a youtube clip playing in Firefox, there's little means to do this graphically. I may be able to do this in a commandline but hey, that's not to be expected from majority of Users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frantaylor View Post
    Perhaps your English is not so good! Can you tell the difference between "making an observation" and "volunteering for work"?

    You know that software like PulseAudio has security issues, and so it needs to be updated regularly?

    If you patch up PulseAudio so you can embed it in your device, now you have a patch that needs to be maintained. If you sell a device that embeds PulseAudio, now you have added complication to your software update process and your users are going to be vulnerable for longer.

    If you want your product to achieve market penetration you need to make it EASY for your code to propogate, not HARD.

    Besides the PulseAudio developers would find their work to be EASIER if they supported a wide range of platforms because they will be will be talking to other copies of PulseAudio instead of whatever Apple is using and whatever Google is using and whatever samsung is using etc.

    Yes indeed it is possible to open the hood and look at the engine and make observations and your name does not need to be John DeLorean or Ferdinand Porsche. It is indeed possible for potential users of product to decide "this mess is not worth my time" and they can only do that by looking with a critical eye.
    Stop FUDing and flooding.
    Your original claim is invalid as Pulse audio system mode is running PA via global single daemon instance and is disabled by default.
    As explicitly stated by PulseAudio Developers, if you want to mess with system mode, you should understand how PA works or your will be ignored.

    So go understand PulseAudio before you flood, so your can use "critical eye" and not "slimy tongue" as of now.

    Quote Originally Posted by e8hffff View Post
    From a user perspective PulseAudio is fantastic. The only thing lacking is the ease of mixing different channels, especially for INPUT.

    Example if I want to record audio from a youtube clip playing in Firefox, there's little means to do this graphically. I may be able to do this in a commandline but hey, that's not to be expected from majority of Users.
    PulseAudio is meant for efficient audio mixing and broadcasting. For mixing of individual streams there is Jack.
    To record audio from youtube clip, download the clip using any plugin for your browser (at least 3 working), then drag-n-drop the clip onto Audacity 2.0+ instance.
    Last edited by crazycheese; 12-13-2012 at 02:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycheese View Post
    PulseAudio is meant for efficient audio mixing and broadcasting. For mixing of individual streams there is Jack.
    To record audio from youtube clip, download the clip using any plugin for your browser (at least 3 working), then drag-n-drop the clip onto Audacity 2.0+ instance.
    I think you missed the point. It's within PulseAudio's scope and any Windowing System(KDE, Gnome, etc) to allow PA to mix channels.

    Jack is really a hardware based(realtime access) layer that happens to have mixing capabilities.

    Also the example I put could also be a live broadcast and you want to record as the audio comes available, so downloading a video is not applicable in this scenario and is a round about way.
    Last edited by e8hffff; 12-13-2012 at 03:21 AM.

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    How about PulseAudio recognize the on-board chipset features and actually have it configured for your system, instead of always haven't to bang on it to get it to recognize anything that is Intel Sound via RealTek 889 never mind 892. Each time some modification arrives in Debian my 7.1 turns into a 2.1 sound configuration. It's embarrassing that Audio in 2012 is still a joke in Linux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frantaylor View Post
    Perhaps your English is not so good! Can you tell the difference between "making an observation" and "volunteering for work"?
    You said PulseAudio devlopers have a "DUMB mind-set" since they don't support "PulseAudio everywhere" - definitely not just "making an observation". One of the obstacles to supporting everything is that some has to actually do the support part. I was just asking if you were ready to put your money where your mouth is or you were just shouting orders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frantaylor View Post
    PulseAudio may be the greatest thing since sliced bread in many respects, but here is one place where it FAILS TOTALLY:

    From their web site:

    ---

    You are expected to know your way around if you use system mode. You are using PA against the explicit recommendations of the maintainers, so don't expect particularly enthusiastic support from them in doing so.

    ---

    HELLO! They should put PulseAudio EVERYWHERE. It should be in your TV and your headphones and your speakers and your MP3 player. I have NO IDEA how PulseAudio is going to succeed if the developers have this DUMB mind-set.
    And what exactly is "system mode"?

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