Canonical "Won't Fix" GTK+ Wayland For Ubuntu

[ворот93]

Please never write any documentation then. Because I don't want to go around fixing the crap other people "who don't give a crap" make.

Do I give a fuck about that? No. You shouldn't as well.

[curaga]

Ubutnu/Canonical 'prefer' there own forked code because (in many cases) there patches would most likely be rejected by their corresponding upstream (developers) anyway. Ubuntu's patches often aren't useful (from the developers perspective) and/or don't fit into the upstream project's goals.

They also have actually useful patches, that would also work with upstream goals, that they just haven't bothered to even submit.

For example their kernel patches for async isapnp and async initrd extraction. Both have been shipping in Ubuntu for several years now, and have been submitted upstream exactly zero times that I know of. Especially the latter would be widely useful.

[GreatEmerald]

They also have actually useful patches, that would also work with upstream goals, that they just haven't bothered to even submit.

For example their kernel patches for async isapnp and async initrd extraction. Both have been shipping in Ubuntu for several years now, and have been submitted upstream exactly zero times that I know of. Especially the latter would be widely useful.

Hmm, couldn't users submit those themselves? Or is it that only authors of the patches have the ability to do so?

[ninez]

They also have actually useful patches, that would also work with upstream goals, that they just haven't bothered to even submit.

I didn't dispute that, i said in 'many cases', not Ubutnu doesn't produce a single good patch.

For example their kernel patches for async isapnp and async initrd extraction. Both have been shipping in Ubuntu for several years now, and have been submitted upstream exactly zero times that I know of. Especially the latter would be widely useful.

I wonder why they have not bothered, then? (in this particular case). It's not like those are 'deal-makers/breakers' or offer Ubuntu some huge advantage (or even minor) over XYZ distro.

Ubuntu has incredible level of polish. Almost everything works out of the box and w/o bugs. Why the hell should end-user give a fuck about GNU/Linux crap? Come on.

That's pretty funny, maybe you should go to launchpad and actually look at some of the bugs that affect ubuntu... without bugs? (YA RIGHT!). ...what was it, maybe a week ago - i posted a video showing 'the nvidia blank window bug' that was a regression in compiz (and thus unity) that bug has been around since 11.04 with no solution in sight... I wouldn't call windows appearing on the screen incorrectly, 'polished'. ~ but this is just one example (but a good one too, since Canonical is developing compiz / unity).

You also went on to say, that fedora would fail to boot (and for some reason you think Ubuntu doesn't have this issue?), yet google produces many many links when searching 'ubuntu 12.10 fails to boot', some issues have been fixed, others not.

from what i have observed, Ubuntu/Canonical is better at marketing than anything else. They aren't heavy contributors to many FOSS projects (which they rely on).

[locovaca]

They also have actually useful patches, that would also work with upstream goals, that they just haven't bothered to even submit.

For example their kernel patches for async isapnp and async initrd extraction. Both have been shipping in Ubuntu for several years now, and have been submitted upstream exactly zero times that I know of. Especially the latter would be widely useful.

If upstream wanted them why wait for Ubuntu to submit? The source code is out there, go get them and implement them. Why does it have to be a one way street? Isn't that the whole point of the GPL?

[ninez]

If upstream wanted them why wait for Ubuntu to submit? The source code is out there, go get them and implement them. Why does it have to be a one way street? Isn't that the whole point of the GPL?

that does beg the question, doesn't it?

[ворот93]

That's pretty funny, maybe you should go to launchpad and actually look at some of the bugs that affect ubuntu... without bugs? (YA RIGHT!). ...what was it, maybe a week ago - i posted a video showing 'the nvidia blank window bug' that was a regression in compiz (and thus unity) that bug has been around since 11.04 with no solution in sight... I wouldn't call windows appearing on the screen incorrectly, 'polished'. ~ but this is just one example (but a good one too, since Canonical is developing compiz / unity).

You also went on to say, that fedora would fail to boot (and for some reason you think Ubuntu doesn't have this issue?), yet google produces many many links when searching 'ubuntu 12.10 fails to boot', some issues have been fixed, others not.

On absolute majority of hardware Ubuntu boots fast and works out of the box. In my book, Ubuntu is the only distro suitable for non-geeks. Sorry

from what i have observed, Ubuntu/Canonical is better at marketing than anything else. They aren't heavy contributors to many FOSS projects (which they rely on).

Only basement dwellers give a fuck about that.

[ninez]

On absolute majority of hardware Ubuntu boots fast and works out of the box. In my book, Ubuntu is the only distro suitable for non-geeks. Sorry

Ubuntu boots significantly slower than any system using systemd (when properly configured). Not sure where you get this idea that Ubuntu boots fast (it doesn't). I also don't get why you are saying sorry because ubuntu is the only distro suitable for non-geeks? (personally, i could care less about that). I should also point out, that the majority of distros boot on the majority of hardware ~ Ubuntu doesn't have some 'big advantage' here...

Only basement dwellers give a fuck about that.

I don't even have a basement. nice try though... And you are wrong (and have an overly simplistic outlook on the situation, which means to me, that your opinions really don't mean anything, since you obviously don't have a clue as to what yoiu are talking about...sorry). You know whom cares about that? - the people whom develop the software that Ubuntu relies on (which Canonical essentially presents as 'their ecosystem'). Hypothetically, if we flipped the coin here, linux didn't exist and you were stuck with Windows/Mac, you would give a shit if Microsoft/Apple wasn't improving their software stack themselves, but instead relying almost completely on 3rd-parties for the core components of their OS and then just 'papering over' bugs with crappy patches :\

[ворот93]

Ubuntu boots significantly slower than any system using systemd (when properly configured). Not sure where you get this idea that Ubuntu boots fast (it doesn't). I also don't get why you are saying sorry because ubuntu is the only distro suitable for non-geeks? (personally, i could care less about that). I should also point out, that the majority of distros boot on the majority of hardware ~ Ubuntu doesn't have some 'big advantage' here...

Oh, it does, believe me. And systemd is some new experimental shit that belongs to alpha testing polygons like Fedora, not established distros like Ubuntu.

I don't even have a basement. nice try though... And you are wrong (and have an overly simplistic outlook on the situation, which means to me, that your opinions really don't mean anything, since you obviously don't have a clue as to what yoiu are talking about...sorry). You know whom cares about that? - the people whom develop the software that Ubuntu relies on (which Canonical essentially presents as 'their ecosystem'). Hypothetically, if we flipped the coin here, linux didn't exist and you were stuck with Windows/Mac, you would give a shit if Microsoft/Apple wasn't improving their software stack themselves, but instead relying almost completely on 3rd-parties for the core components of their OS and then just 'papering over' bugs with crappy patches :\

Oh yeah, you are a Mr. Know All. What an ignorant motherfucker.

[ninez]

Oh, it does, believe me. And systemd is some new experimental shit that belongs to alpha testing polygons like Fedora, not established distros like Ubuntu.

I've been using systemd for almost a year - ZERO problems. Several distributions are now using it by default (oh yeah, so fricking 'experimental'). You don't have a clue bud! Fedora not an established distro ~ LOLOLOLOLz. I don't used it, but either you are incorrectly using the word 'established' or you just don't have a clue at all. It sounds to me like you are just a fanboy, more than anything.

and i don't have to believe you - i've tested sysv, upstart, and systemd ~ hands down, systemd is much faster.

Oh yeah, you are a Mr. Know All. What an ignorant motherfucker.

interesting how your comments don't actually address any point that i was actually making (why am i not surprised). and fyi, if you are going to call someone ignorant - you better be prepared to explain exactly what makes them ignorant...

because from where i am sitting, it is actually you whom is ignorant by definition (since that is exactly what your comments reflect. sorry about your luck).