Debian Brought Back To Life On M68K-Based Amigas

[jabl]

My game has the purpose of affecting a large userbase. Now of course, there is no guarantee. But it has the potential. While what he does only has the ability to affect a small userbase. What he does cannot become mainstream. If it were a corporation, he wouldn't be working on that since it cannot bring profits. While my game has the potential to bring profits since it's not free. There is a difference.

People are perfectly entitled to have inane and pointless hobbies, such as golf, if they so like. Just because you like to imagine that your little game might in the future bring in some money does not make you morally superior.

[leech]

...two days ago I moved my Amigas to attic, which really hurt me badly. And now reading news like that one I know how bad that decision was.

People who are still working on that stuff are my personal heroes :]
Great work, keep going with that! :]

So sad, don't suppose you'd like to part with them?

I need to fix my A4000D so that it doesn't lock up in non-AGA video modes, then I'd end up using it a lot more. But for now, it runs games awesomely.

Every now and then you have to fire up the Oldies, it makes you appreciate the ingenuity of the few brave people who did more pioneering of the video game industry. 90% of all the crap they make now are rubbish. It's turned into Hollywood, where they mostly don't have any originality and end up just doing remakes that somehow the younger generation like...

I agree with them being heroes. There is indeed a need for it to be working. As I said in an earlier post, the Freescale processor is still being made, and there are various devices that use the m68k architecture.

[BO$$]

People are perfectly entitled to have inane and pointless hobbies, such as golf, if they so like. Just because you like to imagine that your little game might in the future bring in some money does not make you morally superior.

If you have enough coding skills to port debian to amiga you sure have enough skills to do something that might be useful. It's not the same with golf. You can be mediocre at golf and do it just for fun. But if he ports debian to amiga he is not mediocre. He actually has potential. So why waste it on something that only a few will ever get to enjoy. That is what I am saying. That it is a waste of the time of somebody who could actually contribute in a meaningful way. I am not saying I am morally superior in any way. I admit not everything has to make a profit, but it has to help other people in some way. Otherwise why is he making that code public? Because he wants others to use it. Not if others are only 5 guys, when it could have been millions....

[Pawlerson]

The problem with open source software. No management, no optimal allocation of resources, so you end up with useless projects like this one. Waste of fucking time dude. Get a job. Build something that people want.

This is the power of Open Source. It powers everything and everyone can do what he want with it. Btw. why this annoying troll isn't banned, yet?

[BO$$]

This is the power of Open Source. It powers everything and everyone can do what he want with it. Btw. why this annoying troll isn't banned, yet?

Yet linux was next to useless for most people until canonical came and focused on making it usable. You can't say that linux naturally evolves toward usability cause it doesn't and didn't for many years. In fact, a corporation that runs for profit came and made it usable. So people that waste their time doing ports of debian to amiga usually end up either broke, or working for a corporation that tells them what to do. And that corporation listens to customers. And what customers say? Make linux usable and people will use it! So no matter how hard you try you can't escape the cycle, you need to do something useful to other people. Not only just to you.

[ikus060]

The project is not pointless as many on this thread think. The M86k architecture is very similar to newer processor used in embedded system. Since Linux is widely used in embedded system, porting debian to m86k architecture make sense. The author of this article should have it. See wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_68000_family

[leech]

Yet linux was next to useless for most people until canonical came and focused on making it usable. You can't say that linux naturally evolves toward usability cause it doesn't and didn't for many years. In fact, a corporation that runs for profit came and made it usable. So people that waste their time doing ports of debian to amiga usually end up either broke, or working for a corporation that tells them what to do. And that corporation listens to customers. And what customers say? Make linux usable and people will use it! So no matter how hard you try you can't escape the cycle, you need to do something useful to other people. Not only just to you.

Now we know you're just trolling. Canonical making Linux 'Usable'? Have you tried Unity? The fact of the matter is, Canonical doesn't do much themselves, with the exception of Unity, and Unity is by all accounts crap.

Ubuntu lost sight of their main goal when they decided to go so far away from their base of Debian. Their main goal was an up to date Debian with the latest Gnome every 6 months. Then because they judged 3.0 crappy, they decided to go in another direction, which is actually more of a waste of time. At least Gnome had a valid reason for being created when KDE was already out there. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

But did you also take into account that the port to m68k architecture makes things more stable and better code because it has to be compilable across multiple architectures? Yeah, that's a waste too.

Besides, you keep focusing on "Ported to Amiga." when it's actually a port for m68k, which means anything that uses the m68k platform can utilize Debian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldfire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_Coldfire_Project

[Nevertime]

If you have enough coding skills to port debian to amiga you sure have enough skills to do something that might be useful.

Did you ever think that maybe he has the skill to do things like this BECAUSE he finds such tasks fun and educational?

[Pawlerson]

Yet linux was next to useless for most people until canonical came and focused on making it usable. You can't say that linux naturally evolves toward usability cause it doesn't and didn't for many years. In fact, a corporation that runs for profit came and made it usable. So people that waste their time doing ports of debian to amiga usually end up either broke, or working for a corporation that tells them what to do. And that corporation listens to customers. And what customers say? Make linux usable and people will use it! So no matter how hard you try you can't escape the cycle, you need to do something useful to other people. Not only just to you.

I don't agree, because I consider KDE is far more usable than Unity, Windows and OS X. For me Windows is unusable and that's why I wiped it out. The only thing that keeps people using m$ OS is software and drivers, sometimes. There are no other reasons, because it's broken like hell. It's proprietary mess, so we can't do a thing to make it usable and fix its brokenness. It sucks.

[leech]

I don't agree, because I consider KDE is far more usable than Unity, Windows and OS X. For me Windows is unusable and that's why I wiped it out. The only thing that keeps people using m$ OS is software and drivers, sometimes. There are no other reasons, because it's broken like hell. It's proprietary mess, so we can't do a thing to make it usable and fix its brokenness. It sucks.

So very true! I only use Windows to play games on. Thank goodness Steam is finally coming to Linux.

You know what the most entertaining thing in the world is? Recently the other Linux administrator where I work left, and I told the Manager that I'd like one of the Windows Administrators to replace him. So now (for the second time) I get a Windows Administrator to switch to Linux, and I always here comments like "why doesn't Windows do this?" and "I hate how Microsoft does things." etc.

Yesterday he was completely fed up with Windows 7 and Office 2010. When he went to install Office, it popped up some weird error, he looked it up and it literally said that Office 2010 couldn't install on that operating system because it wasn't Windows XP, Vista, 7 or Server. Seriously, wtf? Then it said he had to download some other installer. But to do so, he had to have a Microsoft account.

It's absurd that they can't even get their own crap to work with itself smoothly. This was on a freshly installed system too.

I don't know anyone who uses Unity, and I know a lot of people that still like Ubuntu (I don't because they've had too many times when an update was ran, but then grub gets jacked, or the kernel does or whatever. Only once have I had that issue with Debian, and that's because I accidentally said no to updating grub with UUIDs.)

Sorry for going off-topic. I don't honestly see why anyone would whine over m68k being brought back to the Debian archives. Debian after all is the Universal Operating System. It's not like they're forcing any other distributions to be ported. I think Ubuntu only really supports x86 and ARM anymore, didn't they drop support for PPC?