Nokia is dying (thanks to microsoft)

[BO$$]

Well the thing is, apart from libertard fantasy world, you're in fact NOT free to do whatever you want with your "own company". In fact, in real life, there are very few "own companies", thanks to incorporation and the stock market. No one in fact OWNS a company, other than its shareholders. The CEO or the board do not OWN the company, they only lead it. And yes, they may have "limited liability", but the "limited" part mainly applies to not having to pay your own money if your company tanks.

When it comes to following laws, they very much do have liability. Namely, if a CEO or a board willingly acts in a way that is not in the shareholders' or the company's best interest, eg. willingly makes bad deals because they or their secret employer profits from trashing the company, that is ILLEGAL. If the CEO or the board make secret deals with other parties that benefit them personally but are harmful to the company, that is illegal. If the CEO or board embezzle funds from the company, that is illegal. Insider deals are also illegal.

So you see, there would be a very good case against elop, and possibly also against the nokia board for not doing anything for so long. But sadly the corruption in finnish government is probably going to prevent anything being done about this.

You seem to assume that Elop is part of a conspiracy to ruin Nokia. I just think that Elop is a complete inadequate incompetent loser moron. He unwillingly acts against the shareholders interest. He's retarded. If Nokia goes down most probably it will be because of incompetence not conspiracy. If it's conspiracy then the shareholders should shoot him. What I am saying is that the shareholders must intervene, not the government.

[dee.]

You seem to assume that Elop is part of a conspiracy to ruin Nokia. I just think that Elop is a complete inadequate incompetent loser moron. He unwillingly acts against the shareholders interest. He's retarded. If Nokia goes down most probably it will be because of incompetence not conspiracy. If it's conspiracy then the shareholders should shoot him. What I am saying is that the shareholders must intervene, not the government.

Right, right, because in libertardland, government intervention is ALWAYS and UNCONDITIONALLY BAD and EVIL. Government should never do anything and let everyone else do everything. Moving on...

I think it's quite obvious that elop is a mole. There's no way someone could be THAT incompetent, I mean let's not forget this is a person that was hired for a high salary to run one of the largest, most succesful companies in the WORLD. You don't get to that position without having some amount of skill, something to show for yourself. So that leaves only deliberate sabotage. Trust me on this, I've been looking at the whole catastrophy unfold, and every decision elop has made has been like DESIGNED to make nokia fail. He's spouted just enough corporate doubletalk to make it look plausible that he's actually trying to succeed, and everything he's done has been plausible if you look at the act on its own - but when you add it all up, it becomes plain and obvious that he's not merely incompetent, he's playing for the other team.

I'm not saying I know this for certain. I'm saying it's a very likely possibility, and considering microsoft's history, it isn't all that far-fetched that they'd come up with such a strategy. I mean, for microsoft, it's a win-win situation. For microsoft, everything elop has done makes sense. If you think from microsoft's point of view, then suddenly everything elop has done makes sense. Otherwise, the things he's done have been plain absurd, like there's no rhyme or reason to them. Add in microsoft - and the pieces fit.

[pmorph]

I don`t understand this exclusivistic bullshit. Only windows OS on their phones. How can samsung htc sony and others make both android handsets and windows ones.

Well, samsung makes almost everything short of space ships anyway, and the rest.. well, they don't exactly swim in money either.

[aironeous]

There is no plural for Elopocalypse
Too bad

http://iwastesomuchtime.com/on/?i=37153

[0xBADCODE]

Soon Nokia will have to resort to faking those fake chinese phones from NOKLA . Goodbye, nokia. Hello NOKLA . Without R&D division there is no difference anyway :P

[dee.]

Soon Nokia will have to resort to faking those fake chinese phones from NOKLA . Goodbye, nokia. Hello NOKLA . Without R&D division there is no difference anyway :P

I don't know, to me it seems the nokia phones are already as aptly named as they can be.

In finland we have a saying "menneen talven lumia", directly translated: "last winter's snow", meaning: a thing that is old news, something that no one remembers anymore. One can only wonder if this was the inspiration for the latest line of nokia phones.

[Akka]

I get the impression Nokia did a better q4 than most of the Android phone makers?
Around here Lumia 920 is a decently popular phone at least.

[chithanh]

Nokia as a whole yes. But the smartphone division is still losing money. In North America they did well thanks to a one-time payment from RIM.

[Hodgetts]

okia bled billions of dollars in losses over the last year

[varikonniemi]

This just in: The value of Nokia has plummeted by 1.8 Billion in the last 24hours.

http://www.kauppalehti.fi/etusivu/no...a/201301346271

Also, apparently they are getting a new member on their board of directors, some woman named Elizabeth Doherty, with no experience from the tech industry. -_- WTF Nokia!?