Also, I selectively buy AMD hardware, so I can not think of them to be that evil.
In an ideal world, the FOSS drivers would get to a point where we would barely need to worry about using the blob drivers and then the Out of the Box functionality and stability in terms of graphic drivers would far surpass even Windows.
For the time being though, if it's possible, I would have thought they would have to use Catalyst (in SteamBox). Which is maybe a little surprising if it actually is going to be an AMD machine, but I can't say this is a bad thing. NVIDIA might be the easiest way, but going with AMD could not only help that company out, but improve one of the drivers (blob or FOSS driver depending on what is used by default).
It's all very early doors though, things could change.
Not necessarily.The main thing that keeps tyranny going is apathy, which is what a lot of people who state they are on the side of "pragmatism" often accept and promote.
Bait and switch. Also, Missing the Point. I'm not saying that promoting a position should be curbed for fear of tyranny. I'm saying absolutist positions which demand everyone kowtow to their way of doing things, and then degrading and generally bashing anyone who resists ... well sir, that's the mark of an idiot. Those who behave thus are just a wee bit of power away from being tyrants.You can complain about someones actions, you can even criticize another's words, but please don't tell me someone can not promote a position for fear of tyranny. Because really, is that not the censor's argument, that we need it to prevent the spread of dangerous ideas in society?
Now let us be done with the "T" word and its derivatives.
I suppose I have failed to make myself clear. I am suggesting caution. I am also formally requesting that when arguing with me, you actually stick to the arguments I make instead of projecting those of others on me. Most often I don't agree with them.And then there are people calling out FOSS users and developers saying they are idiots or tyrants, and that they are actively conspiring against these hardworking innocent hardware vendors. Seriously, have you not read a Phoronix thread before?
To the best of my knowledge there is still no proof that Valve plan to use Xi3 for their own steam box, it is far more likely Xi3 are one of the many partners that Vavle are talking with to make Steam compatible devices. From what I have been reading Valve plan to design their own Steam box but are also allowing 3rd parties to design and distribute their own with a variety of hardware levels and price points. This article makes a lot of that more clear: http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/8/385...ture-of-gaming
So we really have no idea what they have in store harware wise for their own Steam box, other than what Gabe has alluded to with the fact that the "better" level they plan to focus on will have dedicated CPU and GPU, meaning an AMD APU is likely not even on the table for the official Valve Steam box. Nvidia seems to have a better working relationship with Valve and have the best driver options to date on Linux, my money would be on Valve going with Nvidia and the proprietary blob.
I will also temper my statement by saying I do feel it is somewhat unfortunate that this has taken on such a aggressive tone.
Moving on to another point:
I'm pretty sure you were the one who brought out the T word, but I can't check because it's too far back in the post history. My apologies if I am mistaken. Might have been BO$$.They may or not be idiots depending on your opinion of their actions but even then they are not yet tyrants and you probably should be cautious about using the word like this. Save it for people who actually have power and deserve it. You can argue your point without labelling other people with these heavy, important markers.
But the meat of my point here is that it should not matter what they "yet" are or are not - and I'm pretty sure I've already explained why. Just as an argument should stand or fail based upon its own merits, I believe an individual (or a group of them when of like mind), should be assessed, commended, reprimanded, or dismissed based on their proclamations and actions. The alternative is to give people license to be any kind of dick they want to be right up until they cobble together an army.
Provided you aren't directly quoting me, I have no problem with that.Please note that this is a forum thread, and as such, my comments will reflect the discussion as a whole and not just a specific person. If I am talking specifically about you I will mention you as part of my statement.
I note that the 20% rule has struck again - about 20% of meaning and intent actually comes across in text. I assure you I'm not trying to bash you or anyone else in particular. It just tends to sound that way from a casual reading when addressing points at this level. Go put on your thickest skin and have a pint or five and it'll look better. Promise.
just dont get the point... it does not say anything about free drivers are bad or good or anything else... its just boring facts... closed source drivers are not allowed to get included... install it easily no big deal... but at least the users read something about that they agree to install proprietary nvidia drivers or something... some dont bother, some do... the people buying this hardware most likely dont...
I dont understand how somebody make here a war out of it... of course the opensource drivers are not fast enough to play latest highend commercial games with maximum fps... nobody said something else... valve is using this console for a gaming console for propriatary only games...
there is just no point in using a free driver to play propriatary games... except maybe at least the games maybe dont have root-rights to make security holes like the nvidia driver did...
its basicly what I do too... I try to seperate the worlds as far as possible... on one machine I go completly propriatary stuff... ok some small opensource tools are mixed in too... on the other linux non-gaming machines... I try to use as less propriatary stuff as possible... there I would even like to use coreboot...
so if you use some propriatary parts in your system its compromised anyway... it doesnt matter much then to mix in some opensource parts... except when they are better/cheaper or even when they are good enough because at least they only do what they are supposed to and often they dont use minimal system-resources, but you have a compromised or tainted system...
just my 2 cents...
Last edited by blackiwid; 01-09-2013 at 10:31 PM.