Reply With QuoteIs there is good way to measure production deployments?Originally Posted by RahulSundaram
Phoronix Member
An even better indicator is that none of those vendors trust btrfs enough to make it the default filesystem.
Gentoo Developer
Is there is good way to measure production deployments?
Red Hat
This isn't true. There are appliances that are in the market with Btrfs as default and SUSE recommends Btrfs as root filesystem as well. I don't think you can ignore all these indicators.
https://www.linux.com/news/enterpris...-ready-to-rock
Phoronix Member
Those are not indicators. Those "appliances" are small-time, niche products. If SUSE actually trusted btrfs, they would have it as the default filesystem.
What no rational person can ignore is that no major linux distro trusts btrfs enough to have it be the default filesystem. That shows that btrfs cannot be trusted for widespread, serious usage. btrfs is simply not ready for prime-time, despite nearly 6 years of development. It is hard not to wonder if btrfs will ever be trustworthy.
Red Hat
SUSE recommends ROOT filesystem be Btrfs and you are still claiming they don't trust it? I cannot take you seriously anymore.
Phoronix Member
Oh, that hurts! I am not being taken seriously by someone who cannot even follow the thread of a simple conversation.
You are grasping at straws. Let me try to make it simple for you. If the SUSE developers trusted btrfs, it would be the default filesystem without the user needing to select it. What one person writes in the documentation means little. What the distro actually does, and whether it defaults to btrfs filesystem automatically, is the real indicator.
btrfs is not the default filesystem for SUSE, or any other major distro. Clearly SUSE, as well as all the other major linux distros, think btrfs is not ready to be trusted as the default filesystem.
Last edited by jwilliams; 01-17-2013 at 09:52 PM.
Junior Member
ZFS was developed for Solaris, by Sun. How can you know that if Chris Mason had his own distro that he wouldn't have used Btrfs already?
Going by when Sun started to trust ZFS enough for default doesn't count in my eyes. they didn't need to convince other distros.
Besides, defaults are just the safe settings for people who don't know what they're doing. Enterprise people do.
Phoronix Member
Chris Mason is no Jeff Bonwick. I doubt many people would want to use a Mason distro. Sun, on the other hand, was trusted by a lot of people for putting out a dependable OS.
Red Hat
So, you are claiming they support something commercially and they recommend it as root filesystem without trusting it? SUSE doesn't have defaults without users selecting it in core components like these. If you understand how the installer works, you will know what they recommend is effectively considered the default
Phoronix Member
You really need to stop grasping at straws. The default filesystem for SUSE is ext3.
RHEL, CentOS, Fedora, SUSE, Ubuntu and Debian. None of the major linux distros trust btrfs enough to use it as the default filesystem. There is a reason -- because btrfs is not trustworthy. It is not ready for widespread, serious usage.
https://www.suse.com/products/server...l-information/
The current default file system for new SUSE Linux Enterprise 11 installations is ext3.
Last edited by jwilliams; 01-17-2013 at 10:07 PM.
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