Fedora Proposal To Use Cinnamon Desktop By Default

[finalzone]

Gnome-Shell did a wonderful thing: exposing the ego of whining users.
Some of them are not interested to hear advice from from Gnome-Shell developers and users.
Their own posts only display their selfishness and complete lack of analysis and logics.
One things that cannot be tolerated: perpetrating FUDs and lies about Gnome-Shell to fit hidden agenda.

[kickback999]

Gnome-Shell did a wonderful thing: exposing the ego of whining users.
Some of them are not interested to hear advice from from Gnome-Shell developers and users.
Their own posts only display their selfishness and complete lack of analysis and logics.
One things that cannot be tolerated: perpetrating FUDs and lies about Gnome-Shell to fit hidden agenda.

People arent perpetrating "FUD and lies" as you put it.
These are valid criticisms being vocalised about concerned gnome users. Your attitude on the other hand appalls me.

I am finding this increasingly militant and highly vocal minority of gnome users who support GS to be highly amusing.

No one is asking to get rid of gnomeshell, its great for tablet users!
Surely everyone would be happy if gnome3 much closer resembled gnome2 but with GS as an option at point of installation.
Or as a "Tablet mode" option in System > Preferences.

[finalzone]

People arent perpetrating "FUD and lies" as you put it.
These are valid criticisms being vocalised about concerned gnome users. Your attitude on the other hand appalls me.

Your answer was actually anticipated which means you feel targeted because you feel exposed. The fact you need to reply faster without thinking and wonder why posts like yours are ignored by not only gnome developers but also other developers ready this message speaks itself. Next time, ask yourself the reasoning behind my post.

I am finding this increasingly militant and highly vocal minority of gnome users who support GS to be highly amusing.

Show a clear analysis and methodology to support your claim that gnome users who support Gnome Shell are minority.

No one is asking to get rid of gnomeshell, its great for tablet users!
Surely everyone would be happy if gnome3 much closer resembled gnome2 but with GS as an option at point of installation.
Or as a "Tablet mode" option in System > Preferences.

Who is that everybody wanting gnome3 to look like gnome2? For that sentence, it looks like that "everybody" want to freeze in time forgetting the world is constantly changing. Gnome Classic (as seen on Clarsen's blog) is nothing more than an extended Gnome Shell

[Delgarde]

Now the interface isn't optimized for either mobile or a workstation.

On the contrary - I find it very well optimised for workstation use. You might disagree, but I've been using Shell as my interface of choice pretty much since Fedora 15 came out, and for me, it *is* a very productive working environment - much more so than the older Gnome 2 interface I'm sometimes required to use.

So in what way do you think it's suboptimal for workstation use? I gather it has some issues around multi-head setups (which I don't use), but in all other respects I find it ideal on a big-screen desktop. You keep harping on about full-screen design, but I'm sitting here, routinely running a couple of windows per workspace - in particular, I get good value out of the basic tiling support, putting a terminal alongside an editor. You talk about the mode change stuff, but that's only relevant when starting a new app, and in practice I barely notice it's existence - I'm using the keyboard for everything, so if the screen flickers a little as it auto-completes the program I'm running, I typically don't see it.

And this is what I don't understand with you calling it a mobile interface. I use both Shell and Android day to day, and they have *nothing* in common. Android *is* all the things you're talking about - full-screen applications, slow switching between them, touch oriented. Shell isn't.

[Delgarde]

If you were right, surely far less people would be complaining and flocking to other desktops?
Change for changes sake is a bad thing.

Why do you insist that Shell is "change for change sake"? We get that you don't like it, but why can't you grasp the fact that not everyone agrees with you. Some of us regard Shell as a massive improvement over it's predecessor, and over the other desktops.

[kickback999]

Show a clear analysis and methodology to support your claim that gnome users who support Gnome Shell are minority.

Fair point, the majority of gnome users DO support gnome shell. You are right and I stand corrected.
The rest have already switched.. and you cannot deny gnome has hemorrhaged users since the release of gnome3.

Why do you insist that Shell is "change for change sake"? We get that you don't like it, but why can't you grasp the fact that not everyone agrees with you. Some of us regard Shell as a massive improvement over it's predecessor, and over the other desktops.

I dont think im the only one hahaha!
GS supporters all seem act as if each person who complains individually is the only person complaining. You also have the sheer arrogance to assume that we haven't given it a chance. Why do you think this whole issue has created such a stink? It's not just me.
I used it for about 3 months. If it was any better than gnome 2 surely I would still be using it. I wouldn't be using MATE or cinnamon or some other environment.
But yea, the operative word in your post was some. Not majority, not all..

Your combatant responses show a sheer arrogance and disregard for the preferences of anyone who doesn't like gnome 3. I suggested a reasonable compromise, you dismissed it out of hand and with no reasoning.

If your criticisms of me are valid, then you have also stooped to the same level.

[thalaric]

You talk about the mode change stuff, but that's only relevant when starting a new app, and in practice I barely notice it's existence - I'm using the keyboard for everything, so if the screen flickers a little as it auto-completes the program I'm running, I typically don't see it.

And this is what I don't understand with you calling it a mobile interface. I use both Shell and Android day to day, and they have *nothing* in common. Android *is* all the things you're talking about - full-screen applications, slow switching between them, touch oriented. Shell isn't.

Ok, I get it, interfacing with your keyboard is one way to avoid interacting with GS. Though, if you are using your keyboard for everything then all desktop environments are equal as long as they have key bindings. . Surprisingly, many people only use the keyboard for typing. Try using a mouse for everything (or touch) and you will see it's exactly like Android with some multi-window support bolted on.

[Pawlerson]

Show a clear analysis and methodology to support your claim that gnome users who support Gnome Shell are minority.

It was done many times already. Gnome shell devs and fanboys are the greatest example of an iphone syndrome:

http://www.strandreports.com/sw4031.asp

You should be cured.

[dee.]

Fedora could do worse. Cinnamon is the best desktop I've ever tried, period.

Caveats: I've only tried Gnome2, Unity, MATE, LXDE and Cinnamon. But out of those I like Cinnamon the best.

[kigurai]

It was done many times already.

Then providing us with one example when asked shouldn't be hard, right?