Fedora Proposal To Use Cinnamon Desktop By Default

[pingufunkybeat]

I think it is good that GNOME dares to go in its own direction. Because I like that direction. There are already a ton of more or less similar desktops, so I fail to see why GNOME should "fall in line" here. Since choice seem to be so important for a lot of people, GNOME going in a different direction should be a good thing, right?

Yeah, that's awesome. That's what Enlightenment, *box and the GNUStep crowd have been doing for a long time, and they have their loyal userbase. I have no problem with this.

However, this will impact the "default" status of GNOME as the dominant desktop. And it might make it an exotic alternative like E17 or ratpoison, instead of being the face of the Linux desktop. http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2012/07/...nto-the-abyss/

As a KDE user, the only thing I'm interested is that everything interoperates, so I am not punished for my choice.

[kigurai]

Yeah, that's awesome. That's what Enlightenment, *box and the GNUStep crowd have been doing for a long time, and they have their loyal userbase. I have no problem with this.

However, this will impact the "default" status of GNOME as the dominant desktop. And it might make it an exotic alternative like E17 or ratpoison, instead of being the face of the Linux desktop. http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2012/07/...nto-the-abyss/

As a KDE user, the only thing I'm interested is that everything interoperates, so I am not punished for my choice.

So, because GNOME is some kind of de facto default they can never change? Sounds like a fun project.

[pingufunkybeat]

So, because GNOME is some kind of de facto default they can never change? Sounds like a fun project.

No, I don't think that they should not change, they should. But it has always been their stated goal to be THE desktop for everyone (after killing KDE). They did a lot of politics to get into that position. This would be a very large departure from this plan.

In any case, the days of the desktop dichotomy are over. Now we have 4-5 good contenders in KDE, GNOME, Xfce, Unity and Cinnamon. And, of course the "WM+launcher+apps" crowd which will always be a significant factor on the Linux desktop.

[kigurai]

No, I don't think that they should not change, they should. But it has always been their stated goal to be THE desktop for everyone (after killing KDE). They did a lot of politics to get into that position. This would be a very large departure from this plan.

Well, I think Gnome-Shell is just as much the desktop for everyone as gnome 2 ever was. If anything it is probably better for the masses since I think GNOME3 is probably the Linux desktop I have used that has required no tweaking at all to work or look good. This, as much else, is a matter of taste, of course.

[bkor]

What is more telling is that other major distributions have moved away from it. Ubuntu and Mint, for example, and non-GNOME distros like Mageia and OpenSUSE are also gaining. Fedora is the only major distro where you get GS by default.

Mageia equally supports KDE as well as GNOME.

Note: Biased answer as I'm a Mageia packager focussed on GNOME

[kickback999]

Well, I think Gnome-Shell is just as much the desktop for everyone as gnome 2 ever was. If anything it is probably better for the masses since I think GNOME3 is probably the Linux desktop I have used that has required no tweaking at all to work or look good. This, as much else, is a matter of taste, of course.

If you were right, surely far less people would be complaining and flocking to other desktops?
Change for changes sake is a bad thing.

[pingufunkybeat]

Mageia equally supports KDE as well as GNOME.

Note: Biased answer as I'm a Mageia packager focussed on GNOME

That was poor wording on my part.

I meant to say that KDE is the default desktop of Mageia, which might be why it is gaining ground. I didn't mean to say that Mageia's support for GNOME is bad!

[Bucic]

If you don't understand what is a forum, do not participate in one... I am tired of all these politically-correct "if you don't like it don't use it but don't say your opinion" BS...

Well, I hate it myself, only I don't think it's the case here. The case here is it has been almost 2 years since GS got released AND with very clear design goals and mockups AND you had the choice of different DE all this time and yet you choose to continue your anti-GS crusade.

On top of that it's usually nothing but bashing, unsubstantiated. How many times have we seen "I need to click 5 times to launch an app!!!" (I don't know wtf you were clicking, dude) or "Heyyy, I hate that you have to swipe the lock screen up, forcing me to use my computer like a freaking tablet" (this one has his escape key teleported to a mine field) yada yada yada.

[thalaric]

On top of that it's usually nothing but bashing, unsubstantiated. How many times have we seen "I need to click 5 times to launch an app!!!" (I don't know wtf you were clicking, dude) or "Heyyy, I hate that you have to swipe the lock screen up, forcing me to use my computer like a freaking tablet" (this one has his escape key teleported to a mine field) yada yada yada.

It's not unsubstantiated. When criticisms of GS come up, its supporters like to compare apples to oranges. If we show that it takes extra clicks or movements of the mouse to start / switch apps, you're comeback will be it's actually faster because you can hit super and search it, or use alt + tab. Guess what, you could do that on gnome 2 also, especially with gnome-do. The original comparison stands though, taskbar vs. overview, start menu vs. overview/mode switch is at least an extra motion/click, and possibly more depending on what you are trying to do.

[BO$$]

I don't miss the taskbar at all. I find clicking Super and then a big window works just as well (or better?) than trying to click a small area at the bottom of the screen. Especially when I am using a touchpad.
Also, I kind of like freeing up vertical space
Not sure why everyone is so obsessed with the hot corner either. Use the keyboard dude :P

I don't care about the few vertical pixels that were taken by the taskbar. So now instead of using the mouse to switch between applications, I click a key and then get to use the mouse. And in your mind that is faster.