Fedora Proposal To Use Cinnamon Desktop By Default

[TheBlackCat]

Personally I don't mind Ubuntu's dominance. It's not like they knifed the other distros to get there.

That is debatable. I don't think there is much question that they timed their release schedules to be shortly before those of other distros, then pulled in the features from other distros first, then did not correct users when they assumed Ubuntu developed said features. I haven't heard it much recently, but there was a while where Ubuntu fans were going on and on about the great Linux stuff Ubuntu developed, when really they had no part whatsoever in the development, it just timed things so it would be first to have the features. Then there was the case where they decided to bury all mentioned of debian deep in their technical documentation so there was no hint to users that Ubuntu was actually based on another distribution. Yeah, you could find a mention of debian six layers deep in the documentation in the 4th paragraph or something like that, but no user would find it unless they were specifically looking for it.

Of course none of those things are illegal, but I know many people did consider those sorts of things being "knifed in the back", since they were intentionally promoting themselves at the expense of the groups actually doing the work.

[yogi_berra]

So you refer to a problem most users dont have...

http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=89320165
http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=89320179

Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies...

[fanATic]

I don't see why not. They may not have been at first (first you need to write the tools, of course), but after they're working and relatively bug-free there should be nothing stopping you from using them for developing themselves further. In fact, that is IMHO what should be done, as eating your own dog-food is a good way to know whether it needs some extra spice to make it not taste so bad

Tablets are nice addition for some tasks where use of desktop PC is impractical or inconvenient, like casual reading of books, comics and using as advanced controller in some cases (e.g. DJ-ing and what not) but are not that powerful
nor are designed (with this in mind) to be desktop PC replacement how marketing morons and some IT journalists are yammering about "post PC era".

that being said I am worried about the future of G3. I currently use it and it's pretty damn good. No, it's not a "tablet OS" whatever that means.

"Tablet OS", meaning app-centric not task-centric.

Likewise, the kvetching about extensions breaking on upgrade seems to be well... stupid; you know what other programs do this? Firefox and probably a good number of other browsers as well

You know, Firefox is not DE and I don't expect that extensions for DE breaks on upgrade.

In fact it's cleaner and far more cohesive than G2 ever was.

DE being largely dependent on GPU acceleration is not OK, fallback mode in GNOME 3 sucks btw.

That being said I am worried about the future of G3.

GNOME developers are autistic, they don't listen users nor developers (http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8745257437.html), only themselves. They are literally dumbing down some of GNOME apps (they already did that with GNOME 3 as DE for that matter, KDE approach (with Plasma Netbook option) is much better in that regard, concerning tablet like interface) e.g. one of more important part of OS from user point of view, file manager, Nautilus.

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/07/i...direction-poll

I used to be GNOME 2 user and I like it very much (more than KDE 3 and 4) but than I took an arrow in the knee with GNOME Shell and Unity.

Fortunately there is MATE, Cinnamon and XFCE. In fact, XFCE thanks to GNOME 3 and Unity (global menu and Unity Dash) mess propably expanded its user base.

[Pallidus]

yep ubuntu sure did hide the debian stuff pretty well



firefox bookmarks

ubuntu
ubuntu wiki
launchpad
Debian (ubuntu is based on debian)
ubuntu one





black cat lying bitch






In fedora you aren't stuck with the kernel you got on the iso and it updates kernel easily, in ubuntu it's more difficult


so yeah that's one plus


but I won't be touching fedora again after the abortion that was fedora 18


gnome 3.6 is a piece of shit and until they don't realize that, they are going to suck

also needs a better software center UI

[TheBlackCat]

yep ubuntu sure did hide the debian stuff pretty well

It's good that they decided to add that back after removing it for a while.

[Pallidus]

stop trying to damage reputations

it has always been there in every ubuntu distro I've used


same thing for amazon shit

go to software center remove unity shopping lenses and youube lenses and wtf lenses


" oh but this shit is spyware and it's going to rape my ass like a mountain goat " ffs


you don't like it because YOU DON'T or because it's south african or some racist shit like that

[TheBlackCat]

stop trying to damage reputations

it has always been there in every ubuntu distro I've used

The the VSC history flat-out says it was removed and then re-added. I think it knows a bit better than you do what has been changed.