Fedora Proposal To Use Cinnamon Desktop By Default

**jukk** · 01-25-2013, 04:40 PM

I don't understand this hatred against Gnome. I'm running Fedora 17 with Gnome on one desktop, one laptop and two netbooks. Fedora 18 on my main workstation. All of my family (wife and kids) have been using them happily. We have all been using Linux for a couple of years. I have even installed Fedora 17 for my sister and she is happily using it now. I must confess that I have an old 486 laptop on the shelf with Windows 98, though.

I have been a Redhat user since Redhat 6 (the old one) and been through all Fedora versions on my main workstation (which has been gradually upgraded so none of the original hardware is left). Occasionally I have taken trips with CentOS, Debian, Suse, Gentoo, Mandrake and even Slackware (+ special distros such as IPCop) on some spare PC. All of the Fedora versions (as long as I can remember) have been upgraded with yum or preupgrade to the new version. I have NEVER reinstalled or formatted my main workstation (of course I have copied the OS onto new disks when upgrading hard disks).

My favorite desktops have been at times KDE and XFCE. At some point I began using mostly Gnome. When Gnome 3 was introduced I thought it felt like an improvement, because I don't have to spend time to work with Gnome 3 like other desktops. I mean, it feels like it stays out of the way and let me work with my applications. Of course, it is not perfect. I miss some configuration options now and then. Then again, I am a very terminal guy and not very GUI centric. Many of my applications run in screens in command windows. So maybe I am not the typical desktop user. But my family members have never complained.

Anyway, all this ranting about Gnome 3 feels like misconducted, stupid and arrogant complaining about something that you don't even have to care about! In the FOSS world, if you don't like something, just use something else! Simple as that. And it is not hard to report a bug when something isn't working. I've reported a few.

**V!NCENT** · 01-25-2013, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by TemplarGR

Actually, they are trying to make a similar move: Not to replace multi-monitor desktop with arm terminal touchscreens of course, but shifting the focus to consumer devices like tablets and smartphones and make desktop an afterthought. This shift in focus is clear for anyone even half-knowledgable of the industry...

Desktop an afterthought? Where did you get that idea from? I gues you mean commercial operating system developpers. That means Microsoft and Apple. Well let me give you a wakeup call: these desktops are already very mature. The market that Apple created interest for with the iPad is the tablet market. That shit is new and requires a lot of attention. But that doesn't mean that desktops are an afterthought.
Windows 8 has very specific desktop improvements, like:
-More shotcut keys;
-Better useability (tiling in multi-monitor setups, non-transparent theme, more space for icons in the taskbar, single point of all settings, better file-transfer dialog);
-Userspace file system (useless for Metro).

Apple flattened iMacs, came out with ultrabooks and high resolution displays, duplicated iOS advancements, better cloud integration and better backup.

Afterthought my ass.

You can like Gnome shell all you want. No one says that Gnome Shell isn't a nice GUI for its intended audience. We are simply arguing about its suitability as a workstation GUI. Fedora is not a tablet distro and is definitely NOT a casual desktop usage distro: It is a distro targeted at Power-Users and above and a testbed for Red Hat so its focus should be in productivity, not tablet and all-i-do-is-facebook-and-media kind of usage...

Gnome shell isn't designed for tablets, just because it has a black taskbar on top. And secondly what exactly makes Mutter any less usefull than the number one productivity champion called Windows? Last time I checked, Windows didn't even feature multiple workspaces...

As for Gnome 3 extensions, don't make us laugh, seriously... Most of them are useless and broken. And there are not many to begin with...

That was not the point. I was debunking a bullshit statement claiming that Gnome devs try their best to make Gnome 3 uncustimizeable. That's clearly bullshit. Just because there aren't many good extentions because nobody likes to make them, does not change the fact that he's wrong.

**jukk** · 01-25-2013, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by kickback999

Gnome 3 is crap. It takes longer to do stuff like minimise a window or even select a new program to load.
It is awful and it single handedly pushed back the Linux cause by a good 3 years.
BYEBYE GNOME 3

Due to gnome 3 I switched to CentOS and Sabayon MATE.
Bad move by Fedora and I hope they put it right by moving to Cinnamon.

My experience is the opposite. With Gnome 3, I never minimize any windows (there is no point in doing it). I launch any application in a fraction of a second by pressing one button, typing a few letters and enter. It only takes some time to get used to.

**pingufunkybeat** · 01-25-2013, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by jukk

I launch any application in a fraction of a second by pressing one button, typing a few letters and enter. It only takes some time to get used to.

Funny. I've been launching programs like that for 12 years now.

Is getting this functionality in 2013 really something to boast about? :P

**jan1024188** · 01-25-2013, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by kickback999

Gnome 3 is crap. It takes longer to do stuff like minimise a window or even select a new program to load.
It is awful and it single handedly pushed back the Linux cause by a good 3 years.
BYEBYE GNOME 3

Due to gnome 3 I switched to CentOS and Sabayon MATE.
Bad move by Fedora and I hope they put it right by moving to Cinnamon.

If you don't like it, why spill hate on it. Its not like you are stuck with it. You can install any other desktop.

**jukk** · 01-25-2013, 06:01 PM