Missing .service files are a pain, yes, but unless you are running LFS, Arch, or Gentoo (Those three dont modify upstream packages), then if the distro is providing the software it should ensure that it has a relevent .service file, just as I would hope if they were using Upstart they would make sure it had an upstart file.
Systemd works on any distro that WANTS to support it. Debian and Gentoo are "incompatible" because they want to be able to swap out kernels. Thats their problem, their creating a harder environment for them to work in and placing limitations on themselves because of it. If they want to do it, they are more than welcome to, but then they shouldn't complain when they cant use something specifically because of a choice they made.
And what are you even talking about as far as working on hardware, hardware has nothing to do with it. If you have a kernel greater than 2.4.39 you can run systemd. SUSE 12 and RHEL 7 will both have kernels greater than 3.0, I think even Debian is above 3.0 at this point. So who exactly is being excluded here? People who want to run ancient kernels? I dont even think the 2.4 series is supported by upstream anymore (RHEL and SUSE may support them, but upstream mainline doesnt)
Red Hat and Intel both make their livelyhood through Linux, both in the server space and desktop, so it wouldn't make sense for them to sabotage the development. Now, if Oracle had some big pull in the development, I would agree. They compete with Solaris, but its not Oracle we're talking about.
Thats the problem.
I don't care that sysd exists... I mean really its whatever floats your boat.... The problem is that they are making it difficult for those of us that don't like it and refuse to use it. The have incorporated projects that are still needed outside of it, and won't allow them to be easily used as they were before the incorporation. Forks are being made to correct this, but the point is that it shouldnt have had to be done in the first place.
And as has been said it comes down to hostile management. An ignorant person with a superiority complex that refuses to see things outside of his own biases viewpoint. And has even gone so far as to call other peoples opinions "myths". I think his propaganda crusade is on the verge of going too far.
Last edited by duby229; 01-28-2013 at 06:46 PM.
No need. Systemd doesn't bother me as long as it doesn't interfere with using the computer, and I'll let Debian take care of that for me. Otherwise I'll look for a distro that better suits my needs, there's always a good one around.But you will get another chance to prove your leetness. Why dont you join Bo$$, duby plus some other wackos and start a fork of systemd? May I suggest systemBSd?
You're the religious psycho who wants to murder everybody who doesn't run unmodified Fedora, not me. Remember?
The problem is not moving it into the same tree. If Kay and others feel more comfortable there, that's OK But you can't even build it alone anymore, and this is by design. Patches were refused to fix this. It's a part of their plan to break Ubuntu, Debian, and others. Which they consider a "dead end".
That's not a good attitude. That's all. At best, it's a total failure of communication.
Last edited by pingufunkybeat; 01-28-2013 at 07:14 PM.