Ubuntu Allegedly To Have Its Own X, Wayland Alternative

[JS987]

Yes, and those applications should still work too.
But there are lots of other cruft that we don't need to support, such as glyphs and drawing operations.

Text rendering shouldn't be removed as it is accelerated by graphics card.
rxvt-unicode won't work without XDraw* functions.

[KellyClowers]

We may finally get Windows RDP quality

That bad, eh? Shit.

[Ericg]

That bad, eh? Shit.

Compared to what? VNC? No, I'll take RDP over VNC any day.

[johnc]

Compared to what? VNC? No, I'll take RDP over VNC any day.

The worst was whatever Citrix ICA used. I think they rolled their own scheme. That thing was unusable.

[Ericg]

The worst was whatever Citrix ICA used. I think they rolled their own scheme. That thing was unusable.

Never used it, probably for the better lol

[Ericg]

Then so be it.
Just strip out everything that can be stripped out, and if all GTK and Qt applications still work, and almost nothing of X is left, then that is just good, right?

Then the codebase will be smaller, it will be easier to maintain, quicker to compile, easier to fix bugs, and everything will be great.

There's one big impediment to X11-Light that does shout back to my issue of design it out, spec it out, write it out. And Daniel hit on it during the talk, X has 3 API's for input...and they are all inter-dependent on eachother. It frightens me to think about other spots in the Xorg stack where we have a similar issue where API's are inter-dependent on eachother AND redundant of eachother. So just "taking out the old stuff" does not necessarily work. Certain parts of the stack WOULD have to be redesigned and rewritten to make sure the code is clean at the end.

[silix]

<...> So just "taking out the old stuff" does not necessarily work. Certain parts of the stack WOULD have to be redesigned and rewritten to make sure the code is clean at the end.

exactly

it wouldnt work nor be enough, when looking at the at the "X12" proposal (or the "Why X is not our ideal window system" paper), you realize that certain aspects of X are "less than ideal" (when not straight out broken) at the core protocol level (like the 16 bit unsigned dimension / 16 bit signed coordinate model allowing for 32K x 32K pixmaps with 3/4 of their surface unaddressable - or the drag and drop and clipboard model..)
and that if you want a sane and modern infrastructure (especially, one accomodating GPU's as first class citizens) what remains after taking parts away also need to undergo significant rethinking ( at which point it becomes something which is not X any more...)