A Note To Canonical: "Don't Piss On Wayland"

[elanthis]

Nvidia did say they were not going to support Wayland. If support comes then Wayland has a chance, else it's a struggling project.

Mir on the other hand will be too tempting for Nvidia to push aside.

Other way around. NVIDIA is more tempted to support their contractual installations, which are usually on something like RHEL. If RHEL looks to go the Wayland route, and contract customers look to upgrade, NVIDIA will follow with support. So long as it's merely a consumer tech in more home-user focused distros like Ubuntu, NVIDIA is unlikely interested in Wayland or Mir.

Remember, even if they make money, it might not be enough. It's not just making money, it's making a sizable chunk of money compared to other business endeavors. Businesses and divisions that have profits in the millions are regularly shut down because such "small" profits are chump change to some owners and investors, not worth their time. Why spend time managing a group that makes $2,000,000 when other groups your manage make $20,000,000?

Home user support on Linux is a charity coming from the workstation contract divisions of NVIDIA. It's not a priority in itself.

[liam]

And Shuttleworth is? Still, that does not even dispute my point - Gnome Shell had a person in charge of design and ensuring a consistent vision. And it was in fact because of this "leadership" that many seem to have gotten upset about it (for real and imagined reasons). And yet this is exactly what people say they want out of Canonical...

I'm not a canonical fan, so I don't know why you'd bring up shuttleworth. My only point was that mccann, the principal behind the design doc and continued driver of the G3 vision, isn't a trained designer.

[Togga]

What a moronic comment....

I do not follow this logic. Is this statement using the "community definition" of the word moronic? Reference please.

Forums are made for people to discuss things and share their opinions about their topics of interest. So everyone is entitled to his opinion. Only fascists believe that people shouldn't state their opinion on something... Are you one?

And now strawman arguments on a completely different topic...

Btw, the community didn't make and isn't going to make any move against Mir.

Making this assurance you must be the head of "the community".

PS: To Canonical: Please recruit more intelligent trolls next time...

Amazing conclusion. Are you looking for job?

[Hamish Wilson]

I'm not a canonical fan, so I don't know why you'd bring up shuttleworth. My only point was that mccann, the principal behind the design doc and continued driver of the G3 vision, isn't a trained designer.

Because the claim is that Shuttleworth's vision was going to make a better product than Gnome Shell because he is firmly in control. Gnome3 was brought up as an example of a community product that failed because it had no one in charge, and yet they clearly had Mccann.

[garegin]

no the problem with gnome 3 is that programmers are not professional UI designers. therefore projects run by linux tinkerers usually have crappy UIs. it's quite telling that gnome was 6 years behind osx in getting integrated desktop search.

[liam]

Because the claim is that Shuttleworth's vision was going to make a better product than Gnome Shell because he is firmly in control. Gnome3 was brought up as an example of a community product that failed because it had no one in charge, and yet they clearly had Mccann.

Ah, CONTEXT
Yeah, I was looking at it in isolation and simply wanted to clear that one point.
What Gnome needs/ed are UX people along with a leader like De Icaza (someone who could get consensus, that is).

[elanthis]

I've seen game designers call play testers "stupid" because they couldn't figure out some "what have I got in my pocket" kind of puzzle in a game level; good designers when someone is around with the authority to apply a firm hand, but act infallible when calling the shots, and then act surprised when their game does poorly. Recent trends in the Linux desktop remind me of those situations.

[TemplarGR]

I do not follow this logic. Is this statement using the "community definition" of the word moronic? Reference please.
And now strawman arguments on a completely different topic...
Making this assurance you must be the head of "the community".
Amazing conclusion. Are you looking for job?

Strawman argument= an answer to your accusation about the "mafia of foss"?

Stating the obvious, that community projects and developers do not make any move against Canonical other than expressing their dislike, needs to be made by a "head of the community"?

Be thankful i am not looking for a job, for if i did you would have already lost yours...

What a joke...

[Togga]

Strawman argument= an answer to your accusation about the "mafia of foss"?

Stating the obvious, that community projects and developers do not make any move against Canonical other than expressing their dislike, needs to be made by a "head of the community"?

Be thankful i am not looking for a job, for if i did you would have already lost yours...

What a joke...

Stating that "isn't going to make any move against Mir" is a promise that can only be made if you're in control.

Nice bullying and harassment, constantly proving my point. I'm a developer myself and i'm very happy not to be part in your "community". Avoiding Wayland seems like a good start to avoid bullys. Technical issues can always be solved in products, but this "community" you represent is just insane.

[TheBlackCat]

Nice bullying and harassment, constantly proving my point. I'm a developer myself and i'm very happy not to be part in your "community". Avoiding Wayland seems like a good start to avoid bullys. Technical issues can always be solved in products, but this "community" you represent is just insane.

I am sure the feeling is mutual. Generally speaking, comparing one side of a disagreement to an extremely violent organized crime syndicate is not a great way to start a friendly discussion.