A Note To Canonical: "Don't Piss On Wayland"

[Togga]

I am sure the feeling is mutual. Generally speaking, comparing one side of a disagreement to an extremely violent organized crime syndicate is not a great way to start a friendly discussion.

My Mafia statement was a analogy, interpreting comments like this:

I really hope, that everybody(except canonical), will boycott this "mir" shit thing.
Michael you have contacts with Valve, can you ask them what they think about it.

Canonical has fucked it up this time. They're losing all the trust they still had from the FLOSS community.

... as if the community were an organisation that should punish Canonical for lacking trust.

I have never questioned peoples right to speak or insulted anyone in person. The response I got was directly in the line (or worse) with the above comments trying to connect me with faschism, always with a bullying touch with wording like "moronic" and "a joke".

In my opinion not very nice climate of discussion and not really a place where you want to put any creative efforts.

[TheBlackCat]

My Mafia statement was a analogy, interpreting comments like this:

So asking people to boycott is the same as being an extremely violent organized crime syndicate? You are not helping your case.

The response I got was directly in the line (or worse) with the above comments trying to connect me with faschism, always with a bullying touch with wording like "moronic" and "a joke".

In response to your equating peaceful disagreement with a violent organized crime syndicate, and the resulting implication that your view of "freedom" does not include freedom of speech.

In my opinion not very nice climate of discussion and not really a place where you want to put any creative efforts.

Again, a climate solely and completely created by you with your opening remarks.

[dee.]

In my opinion not very nice climate of discussion and not really a place where you want to put any creative efforts.

And Canonical's is? The one where they are closing down the development and are ceasing to accept community patches or contributions? Doing everything behind closed doors in some kind of skunkworks team?

What Canonical did was stab the community in the back. They also made a very dumb move. They ignore standards that everyone else has agreed upon just for the sake of being different, they want to make it so that software written for Ubuntu will not be compatible with other distros. They're seeking a competitive advantage with questionable means. They don't play nice with the ecosystem, they take advantage of other's work but don't give anything back. It's no wonder that so many people are pissed at Canonical for their behaviour. We all expect things like this from Mapplesoft, but Linux people should know better.

[TheBlackCat]

They don't play nice with the ecosystem, they take advantage of other's work but don't give anything back. It's no wonder that so many people are pissed at Canonical for their behaviour. We all expect things like this from Mapplesoft, but Linux people should know better.

Technically both Apple and Microsoft contribute much more code to the Linux ecosystem than Canonical does. Microsoft is a significant contributor to the Linux kernel, and Apple supports key software stacks like CUPS and Webkit, both of which are used extensively in Linux.

[garegin]

don't forget that apple was a significant contributor to gcc and now clang.
ps. this is off topic, but, does anyone know if osx is built using gcc or clang and when they made the switch?

[dee.]

Technically both Apple and Microsoft contribute much more code to the Linux ecosystem than Canonical does. Microsoft is a significant contributor to the Linux kernel, and Apple supports key software stacks like CUPS and Webkit, both of which are used extensively in Linux.

I wouldn't say significant - they contributed some more code when that hyper-v thing happened but nowdays very little. And Apple only contributes to Webkit only because it's used in Safari, and it's not a Linux component per se, only some browsers use it.

[Togga]

So asking people to boycott is the same as being an extremely violent organized crime syndicate? You are not helping your case.

I making myself perfectly clear, you are over-interpreting my post with something that were never intended (strawman). The obvious point you now disregard is, as I said, "... as if the community were an organisation that should punish Canonical for lacking trust.". Business areas and methods used may of course differ, but that obvious comparing Cosa Nostra with Wayland right?

[Togga]

Again, a climate solely and completely created by you with your opening remarks.

No. This is just an non-intended mis-interpretation of what I wrote. Where the climate is created (except for the two very first comments) is obvious, just look for personal attacks...

Please don't talk if you have absolutely no clue about the matter at hand. Thanks.

What a moronic comment....

Obviously I weren't "in line" with "the community" and should be treated as Canonical and other heretics open for all sorts of blunt harassment.

[TheBlackCat]

I wouldn't say significant - they contributed some more code when that hyper-v thing happened but nowdays very little. And Apple only contributes to Webkit only because it's used in Safari, and it's not a Linux component per se, only some browsers use it.

2012 Linux development report

Microsoft is #17 in the top 20 companies contributing to Linux, responsible for about 1% of contributions (Google is 1.5%, IBM is 3.7%). Canonical is not on the list at all.

[TheBlackCat]

I making myself perfectly clear, you are over-interpreting my post with something that were never intended (strawman). The obvious point you now disregard is, as I said, "... as if the community were an organisation that should punish Canonical for lacking trust.". Business areas and methods used may of course differ, but that obvious comparing Cosa Nostra with Wayland right?

You know the first rule of holes, right? When you are in a hole, stop digging. If you don't want people to think you are a troll, quit with the trolling.

Pretty much nobody likes doing business with a company they feel has betrayed them. This is not unique to the mafia, it is basic human nature. People tend to avoid associating with people they feel are not trustworthy. The fact that you chose to associate these basic elements of human nature with the mafia shows you are not interested in a reasonable discussion, you are just trolling. If you are not meaning to troll, if you actually want a reasonable discussion, you are going about it the absolutely worst way imaginable.

Again, you set the tone for what you wrote. You chose your metaphors, you chose your words, you chose your phrasing. You and you alone are responsible for how it was interpreted. People are not psychics. They can only respond to what you wrote, not what you meant to write. It is not a strawman to respond to what you wrote.