A Note To Canonical: "Don't Piss On Wayland"

[Vim_User]

probably a lot of community devs will come to their senses and not want their code to be used only on their machine.

That is why they submit their code upstream, something that Ubuntu rarely does. So community developers already have come to their senses, their code is not only used on their machines.

The kernel used in Ubuntu from what I understand isn't exactly the same with mainline so they are already diverging there.

Almost any major distro uses a patched kernel, do you want to say that all of them are slowly diverging from mainline Linux? This is simply bullshit.

Debian as it is is not good enough for the user because if it was there would have been no need for Ubuntu.

Even if that would be true (it probably was at the time when Ubuntu was released in 2004), Ubuntu has simply not the manpower to abandon the Debian base, they are relying on Debian, a distribution that revolves about the community. Let Ubuntu try to diverge from Debian, it will dig its own grave with that, Ubuntu totally can not exist without Debian.

The number of Ubuntu specific patches will only increase and I hope that the community will not shun them just to make their life harder.

This does not make any sense at all. Ubuntu can only submit patches upstream, but why should any upstream project care about patches that are only necessary for one distro? If they would submit patches (in the needed quality and quantity, not submitting a wall of code after secretly developing something in-house for months) that benefit the whole project I doubt that the patches would be shunned just because an Ubuntu developer wrote them. But why should they care about Ubuntu specific patches? If Canonical sees the need to divert from the cosdebase it is their own problem to manage the patches.

They need to realize that shunning them will only result in shunning themselves from the desktop of the common user that might try Ubuntu.

I see it the other way around. Canonical needs to realize that shunning the community they rely on will only result in shunning themselves from all the projects that are developed by the community.

[Hamish Wilson]

Just one question. Does Shuttleworth's cock taste salty or sour?

Okay, will you please stop with this line dee? This contributes nothing.

As somebody just below replied, Linux is already mostly corporation owned. Get used to it!

Linux is corporate backed certainly, but it is not owned by any one company (or development group).

[Hamish Wilson]

That is why they submit their code upstream, something that Ubuntu rarely does. So community developers already have come to their senses, their code is not only used on their machines.

Almost any major distro uses a patched kernel, do you want to say that all of them are slowly diverging from mainline Linux? This is simply bullshit.

Even if that would be true (it probably was at the time when Ubuntu was released in 2004), Ubuntu has simply not the manpower to abandon the Debian base, they are relying on Debian, a distribution that revolves about the community. Let Ubuntu try to diverge from Debian, it will dig its own grave with that, Ubuntu totally can not exist without Debian.

This does not make any sense at all. Ubuntu can only submit patches upstream, but why should any upstream project care about patches that are only necessary for one distro? If they would submit patches (in the needed quality and quantity, not submitting a wall of code after secretly developing something in-house for months) that benefit the whole project I doubt that the patches would be shunned just because an Ubuntu developer wrote them. But why should they care about Ubuntu specific patches? If Canonical sees the need to divert from the cosdebase it is their own problem to manage the patches.

I see it the other way around. Canonical needs to realize that shunning the community they rely on will only result in shunning themselves from all the projects that are developed by the community.

Great post.

[TheBlackCat]

The very hate outburst proves the fact that Canonical > rest of "ecosystem".

First they ignore you. (2005)
Then they ridicule you. (2010)
Then they get angry at you. (now)
Then you win. (2014)

The fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

-Carl Sagan

[ворот93]

The fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

-Carl Sagan

Unlike Bozo the Clown, Canonical have been successful so far. Sudden hate outburst proves that.

[Vim_User]

Unlike Bozo the Clown, Canonical have been successful so far. Sudden hate outburst proves that.

Ubuntu was successful as a community distro so far. How successful they will be with their new "we don't need/want the community" approach has to be seen in the future, but as far as the reaction from the community goes it doesn't look that good for them.

[ворот93]

Ubuntu was successful as a community distro so far. How successful they will be with their new "we don't need/want the community" approach has to be seen in the future, but as far as the reaction from the community goes it doesn't look that good for them.

Wrong. Ubuntu has been a company-directed distro this far. Debian, Arch or Gentoo are community distros, Ubuntu is made by Canonical Ltd. with some help of volunteers.

[Vim_User]

with some help of volunteers.

Understatement of the year. How many paid-by-Canonical developers are there for the software in a default Ubuntu install, how many of them are community developers?
Not to count in the about 1000 Debian developers.

[dee.]

Unlike Bozo the Clown, Canonical have been successful so far. Sudden hate outburst proves that.

No it doesn't.

[liam]

Unlike Bozo the Clown, Canonical have been successful so far. Sudden hate outburst proves that.

They haven't made money yet, so I don't think they are successful.