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Thread: A Note To Canonical: "Don't Piss On Wayland"

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    Quote Originally Posted by shmerl View Post
    Totally on the contrary. Mir has nothing to offer over Wayland, it's Canonical's pet project. Wayland is developed by many parties. Ideally they should share drivers to avoid mess. So potentially Nvidia doesn't need to develop different drivers - they can develop one for both, of course unless Canonical screws things up with creating an incompatible architecture (like Android did with SurfaceFlinger).

    If drivers fragmentation will happen - it will be horrible especially gaming wise. It'll hinder any positive developments which start to emerge now.
    Canonical offers Nvidia a transition without the need for multiple driver versions. Ubuntu also has a large user base which means sales, including Tegra based device sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e8hffff View Post
    Does anyone honestly think Canonical wants to build another Display Server protocol? If Wayland could cut the mustard they would have adopted it. It obviously doesn't, nor has it made it to the 'Users'.
    Well, obviously they do want to build another server, because regardless of the merits of Wayland, the Canonical Mir developers have basically confessed that they don't know what they're talking about when it comes to their criticisms. It doesn't make any sense, but them's the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e8hffff View Post
    Nvidia did say they were not going to support Wayland.
    They did not say that they would not support wayland. They said they had no plans to support it two years ago. Not supporting and no plans are two very different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boast View Post
    So would people support Mir if it was not Canonical the one that was developing it?
    No, because this business of retracted criticisms of Wayland gives me no faith in the competence of the Mir developers. They claim to have started their own project due to a bunch of fundamental flaws in Wayland, and in response to arguments against them, now admit they don't know all that much about the bits of Wayland they're criticising. And we're supposed to take these people seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by e8hffff View Post
    Canonical offers Nvidia a transition without the need for multiple driver versions. Ubuntu also has a large user base which means sales, including Tegra based device sales.
    Nvidia's primary Linux markets are Android and graphics workstations. Android isn't Ubuntu at all, and high-end computing is not Ubuntu's main focus (didn't they even end up removing gimp, or did they turn back on their plans?). Pretty much nothing else matters to Nvidia, they've said as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boast View Post
    So would people support Mir if it was not Canonical the one that was developing it? It seems more like an Ubuntu hate, than a open welcome to linux to have choice and options
    It has nothing to do with Canonical heading development. It's the style of development which, sadly, is rather typical for Canonical:
    * Developed behind closed doors.
    * Developed without even attempting communication with Wayland.
    * Spreading lies about the competition (Wayland in this case)
    * (L)GPLv3-only license
    * CLA mandatory for outside contributors to allow Canonical and only Canonical to produce proprietary versions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drago View Post
    It is bad, because it is not a collaboration but competition. It increases pressure on toolkits, on drivers, on developers, and in quality of service in the end. I hope mir dies.
    there are many arguments that could come into my mind against mir. but THAT above is... well it is not an argument against.

    since when is competition bad? it is exactly what many project actually lack! especially display server for linux. i can't image a more absurd and false argument than that one i quoted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e8hffff View Post
    Canonical has made Linux what it is today, a verging world success. Everything they do is professional, user friendly, zippy, big strides and or innovative, and now they are hitting the broad device market. In two years Ubuntu will be capable of being on every device, whilst other distros will be playing catchup or acting like it's all sweet in the command line world. The plain fact is some people like their computers on flames, just to repair them or to thinker. Ubuntu on the other hand wants to bring functionality and style to Linux. I'm happy for all flavours of Linux to exist, but Canonical's Ubuntu is leading the pack.
    I would disagree. Their 10.04 release was awesome. The peak of Canonical's success. At that point Mark Shuttleworth got a little bit too cocky and it's been a sad and rapid downhill slide since then. When the phone and tablets fail and Mark runs out of money - hopefully all these wasteful (in terms of developer time) side-projects and forks will die quietly along with Canonical...

    Used to love what Canonical were doing - but now I think Mark Shuttleworth is living in an alternate reality. Reading what they are doing with "Mir" is so depressing...

    Ah well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by finalzone View Post
    Obbious reason, Mark Shuttleworth celebrity status. Ubuntu by itself is nothing more than Debian folk. Since its inceptions,developers and users were so easily
    tricked into marketing they did not the see Canonical real purpose, control.
    OK, so I simply couldn't resist:


    "Shepard, control is the key to survival."

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexThunder View Post
    Which distro got, by far, the most users? Which distro is actually getting the people from other OSs mostly? Which distro do proprietary applications target first?
    Android.
    Desktop Linux's installed base is pretty much stagnant since 10 or so years.

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