Miguel de Icaza Leaves Linux For Apple OS X

[Pawlerson]

I disproved the "Banshee is bloated" nonsense in 2009. Have a read here.

The problem is that it doesn't matter if your app is responsive and lightweight - a parade of morons will still shout from the rooftops about how bloated and slow it is, because they are bound by religion to say so, not by any commitment to facts or reality.

No, you didn't. It's a Rhythmbox clone and it uses much more memory. I tried it and only moron will say it's responsive and lightweight. It's slow, bloated and unresponsive buggy nightmare. It's also the least error prone than any other player I've used in my life. That's the reality and some mono mongols wont' change it.

Maybe most of them have better things to do than spend all day arguing with the stupidest people in the "Linux community"

No, they don't have anything better to do. They didn't fix these few bloated and crappy mono apps since years and mono isn't on pair with .net, so they just troll on the Linux forums. That's all.

[Pawlerson]

You are totally ignorant and you do not know what you are talking about.

You cannot judge a programming language and/or framework/virtual machine based on the apps that have been made with it. The apps' quality is based entirely on their programmers. And also, the fact that there are only a few mono apps means nothing at all about its quality. Mono in general is unattractive for Linux development because of patent fears/bad reputation and most pick alternatives like Python. This doesn't mean that Mono doesn't have its merits.

The best thing Mono brings to the table is the ability for experienced C# programmers on Windows to contribute to Linux. This is a nice thing. If you don't like it, then purge every trace of Mono from your system and never use it. No one is forcing you to use it. Stop spreading FUD though...

I have used a lot of C# programs on windows as well, but they also suck a lot. Main point was nobody wants to use this crap on Linux.

[Pawlerson]

So you would advocate adding "except for anyone with tangential relationship to Microsoft - fuck those guys" to Stallman's "four freedoms" definition, and adjust all FSF licenses accordingly?

Free except for classes of citizens we don't like?

I have explained this to you in another thread, so stop trolling.

[directhex]

No, you didn't. It's a Rhythmbox clone and it uses much more memory.

So let's hear your even more fevered tirade against Python (Exaile used 33% more RAM than Banshee in testing, Listen used almost 100% more).

Let's hear your frantic ranting against C++ and Javascript (Songbird)

Or maybe you'll do neither, because your argument is not based on reality (i.e. Banshee was the second lightest player tested), but on religion (ARGH MONO BAD ARGH)

[directhex]

I have used a lot of C# programs on windows as well, but they also suck a lot. Main point was nobody wants to use this crap on Linux.

The existence of C# apps on Linux, including but not limited to a significant portion of games available on Linux, kinda disproves you a bit here.

[directhex]

I have explained this to you in another thread, so stop trolling.

Indulge me. This forum software doesn't provide me with an easy way to see instances where you may have replied to me in other threads.

Also, it wasn't your statement (unless you have multiple forum accounts) so your reply isn't meaningful here.

[Luke_Wolf]

Why should they? As this thread clearly demonstrates, it isn't worth their time investing millions of man-hours in major pieces of infrastructure which broadly speaking only benefit Linux.

Well I would say fair but not necessarily correct, it would be a gambit but it also would have the possibility of increasing the number of windows users using mono as opposed to .NET. However then you've got the valid issue of why would you target Mono when you could use .NET? Which I don't have that good of an answer for beyond it being opensource and cross platform. On the bright side Microsoft will probably open source WPF under Apache 2.0 sooner or later.

[uid313]

On the bright side Microsoft will probably open source WPF under Apache 2.0 sooner or later.

I surely hope so!
I would really love to see that!

[alexcortes]

Miguel de Icaza Goes Bitchy (spanish only): Carta abierta a Miguel de Icaza - From http://www.muylinux.com/ lol

[arokh]

arokh: "oh linux is a trainwreck" "oh linux is a piece of shit"


what the fuck are you doing here then you piece of shit?

partner up with that dirty mexican whore icaza and go fucking suck off jobs corpse.

Hey kid, why don't you go back to school and learn how to read? I've been talking about the Linux _desktop_, and it's a fact that it's a fragmented mess. I'm very much a Linux user, it's a great server platform and has lots of good uses for appliances and such. Oh well, I guess it's too much to expect that small minds like yourself should be able to see the larger picture. I've used the Linux "desktop" since the time of Windowmanagers (afterstep, blackbox, enlightenment, windowmaker, etc.), and although things have improved greatly, it's still not a serious contender compared to Windows/Mac. Nobody is shipping it on laptops because it just isn't good enough.

you people disgust me.

Nobody cares.

linux is by far the most advanced and adaptable operating system I have used. It pains me to have to use windows just because of the lack of programs in linux

I am fully aware that if developers bothered optimizing their programs for linux, the same they do for windows, linux would be light years ahead of win.


The lack of software is the deal breaker and what is keeping linux down you dumb fucks. That and subpar support from vendors like intel etc


You could have the most amazing desktop environment ever that would suck your dick and pat your back at the same time and it wouldn't mean shit since there's no decent video/sound editing software, image manipulation etc etc etc...

and I suppose the frantic pace of development that makes linux so good is also a killer when it comes to third party programs.

Yeah, really insightful comments there. Why do you suppose there's no decent video/sound editing software? I'll tell you why, because the Linux desktop is FRAGMENTED. Google it, maybe you'll learn something. There is no standard desktop, some distributions ship KDE, some ship GNOME, others Unity or other obscure DE. Accelerated graphics drivers are not installed by default. If the major distributions decided on some sort of common ground (desktop environment, display server, installed libraries, etc.) it would obviously be a huge step, this is what UnitedLinux tried to do. Ubuntu tries to do something about it but without including others in their decisions.

You can go on believing the Linux desktop is perfect if you want, the reality is very different.