Miguel de Icaza Leaves Linux For Apple OS X

[mr_bombastic]

Cleaning up linux is a lot of work. Such ideas of mine would be to remove 3/4 of distros (the pointless ones like ubuntu christian edition, hannah montana linux, xandros, etc), remove every other modified firefox browser, kill off RPM, combine all the gnome 2 forks, and so on.

I can't see how that would help. Everything you mentioned, with exception of RPM, is redundant, yes, but doesn't lead to unnecessary fragmentation. Firefox derivatives are still essentially Firefox, run all the extensions etc, Ubuntu Christian Edition and the likes are tiny and completely compatible with Ubuntu's repositories, so no fragmentation there either. I'm not aware of Gnome 2 forks other than MATE. Perhaps Concort, but Consort is based on Gnome 3 Fallback, not on Gnome 2, so they aren't redundant. Combining all the forks would be a disservice, since they're trying to address differently the problem of wanting a full GTK DE while having no/bad OpenGL capabilities. The best one will probably prevail in the end, but until that happens, let them both try and do their things. We'll all be richer for that.

[moonlitfire]

I didn't hate all of Icaza's work but I absolutely can't stand his thoughts on matters. I think Icaza will fit right in with the rest of the apathetic Mac hipster crowd. I was also sick of hearing him whine about package managers and fragmentation. What all that hot air amounts to is this --- http://xkcd.com/927/

[iniudan]

Cleaning up linux is a lot of work. Such ideas of mine would be to remove 3/4 of distros (the pointless ones like ubuntu christian edition, hannah montana linux, xandros, etc), remove every other modified firefox browser, kill off RPM, combine all the gnome 2 forks, and so on.

Xandros has been dead for years, ubuntu christian edition it just ubuntu with custom default repository, it not part of any kind of fragmentation problem, other then been based on a canonical product.


RPM is part of Linux standard base, congrats on not following the standardization documentation.


There is only one gnome 2 fork, Mate. Cinnamon is gnome 3 fork, while Consort is a gnome 3 fallback fork. Mate will most likely be abandoned once wayland begin to replace X, for not enough developer to update the whole repository, cinnamon, lose relevance has customization feature get integrated in gnome 3 (not that it at a good customization state, but getting better at least). Consort still have to see if will worth it, but it does have better reason to exist, which is keeping the fallback mode, which is better if done correctly, has it permit gnome 3 compatibility while keeping gnome 2 paradigm.

More the kind of person that can go for a simple windows manager (for a minimal interface) or kde (but for lack of time combined with OCD reason I never got time to fully dive into it, if actually fit), but don't care really, so mostly stick with what already there, has my workflow mostly involve the CLI, a web browser and lot of VM.

[squirrl]

I've seen headings similar to these before. Ian Murdock, Bob Young, also mac users now.

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

Mac lost touch in the PC market... literally.

For $500 you can get a touch-based Lapbook, boot ubuntu 12.10 and play Steam games.

Drama queens the whole lot of them.

[funkSTAR]

The desktop was not fragmented before he himself started the GNOME project as an alternative to KDE...

Yeah. Because Qts license model based on CLA is as shady as Mark Shuttleworths mind. BTW I like the irony; KDE founder Matthias Ettrich has done the exacly same; Leaving Linux and went by the dark path of Nokia(MS).

And Qt? After they went Blackberry crazy they are falling in love with... IOS.
http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2013/0...r-ios-preview/

Miguel=Matthias
MONO=Qt.

Lesson: Add CLA and thing WILL blow up.

[GreatEmerald]

Linux is fragmented....He is right.

One man's fragmentation is another man's choice. It's not just fragmentation for the sake of fragmentation. If something exists and is in use, then obviously it's either not exactly equivalent to its alternatives or is superior to them (in which case no fragmentation occurs). Same thing in ecology, if you have two species that use the same resources and have the same needs, then either they actually don't, or the stronger of the two will destroy the other one, given a bit of time.

[Pawlerson]

Wonderful news! This stupid m$ troll should leave years ago, but it's good late than never. I just have two words to you, Icaza: get lost.

[liam]

Good riddance.

Finally this idiot went away, I hope he never returns.

Stay where you are and don't come back. We don't need you.

One thing he's not is an idiot. He's both an excellent coder and very charasmatic.
You may not need him since he was no friend to KDE, but, again, he was great at building... communities, I guess. Gnome could sure use him if he could just layoff the MS teat.

[peppercats]

One of the best things I've heard in a while. Not sure why he wasn't just kicked off in the first place.

[funkSTAR]

One man's fragmentation is another man's choice. It's not just fragmentation for the sake of fragmentation.

CLA is the prime reason for fragmentation. Look at MIR, mySQL, Unity, Upstart, Openoffice et al. Call em fragmentation or choice.. In reality they are just CLA shit and Linux could do without the drama.

Open source could be the better way of doing software; the best technical ideas win due to best software and least maintenance burden. Sure social dynamics like NIH had to be overcome, but thats low noise. CLA is the cancer here; It makes big business like Canonical go for clearly stupid shit because the gain CLA.