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    Default KWin On Mir: A Solution To Non-Existent Problem

    Phoronix: KWin On Mir: A Solution To Non-Existent Problem

    While Mark Shuttleworth seems to think that KDE/KWin will end up running on the Mir Display Server, even though the KWin maintainer has already said he won't accept any patches even if they are written, the display server / compositing manager battles continue...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTMyMjM

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    We don't need no water,
    Let the motherfscker burn.

    BURN MOTHERFSCKER,
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    OT: My favorite conversation about nVidia....

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    oh snap.

    If Canonical keeps up with Mir and if it manages to become more successful than Wayland, it does get me to wonder what devs like Martin will do or say when they realize they might have to join. While I think Martin makes an excellent point, I don't think Mir is that bad; lets put it in this way - it's more complete than Wayland and it'll offer Android drivers, but it isn't as clunky and obsolete as X. Really the only serious problem with Mir (that I can see) is getting devs to port everything to it when they already are in the process of that for Wayland. In other words, I think Mir pisses off devs because it's too late. I'm sure if it existed BEFORE wayland then it would get the same positive attention as wayland, minus the few people who hate canonical just because they want to hate canonical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmidtbag View Post
    oh snap.

    If Canonical keeps up with Mir and if it manages to become more successful than Wayland, it does get me to wonder what devs like Martin will do or say when they realize they might have to join. While I think Martin makes an excellent point, I don't think Mir is that bad; lets put it in this way - it's more complete than Wayland and it'll offer Android drivers, but it isn't as clunky and obsolete as X. Really the only serious problem with Mir (that I can see) is getting devs to port everything to it when they already are in the process of that for Wayland. In other words, I think Mir pisses off devs because it's too late. I'm sure if it existed BEFORE wayland then it would get the same positive attention as wayland, minus the few people who hate canonical just because they want to hate canonical.
    In what way is it more complete than Wayland? If Mir existed before Wayland, Wayland wouldn't exist. The whole reason it pisses everyone off is because it splits the community needlessly. But the thing is that Wayland came into existance, then for some reason, Ubuntu made claims that they would go with Wayland, even while they were secretly developing Mir and planning this garbage montage the entire time. This must be the most pointless waste of time I've ever seen and does nothing but delay hope of proprietary support in something other than X.

    In addition, if Mir does become popular with proprietary support, do you honestly believe I'll switch from my current distro to some other distro I'm not familiar with just because it chose to monopolize a display server unnecessarily? I'd sooner move to Windows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by computerquip View Post
    In addition, if Mir does become popular with proprietary support, do you honestly believe I'll switch from my current distro to some other distro I'm not familiar with just because it chose to monopolize a display server unnecessarily? I'd sooner move to Windows.
    So, you prefer to support some proprietary crap that still has monopoly rather than Ubuntu or other distro that uses MIR? It's a damn hypocrisy. For now, I won't use Ubuntu and I support Wayland, but if it succeeds with MIR I'll use it. To be clear I want MIR and upstart to die, but I can change my opinion in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kraftman View Post
    So, you prefer to support some proprietary crap that still has monopoly rather than Ubuntu or other distro that uses MIR? It's a damn hypocrisy. For now, I won't use Ubuntu and I support Wayland, but if it succeeds with MIR I'll use it. To be clear I want MIR and upstart to die, but I can change my opinion in the future.
    If my choice is going to be forced, I'd rather be on an OS that has the support anyways. One of the main reasons I use Linux in general is because I have choice. I currently use Arch Linux... if Mir claims to begin using distro-specific mechanism via Ubuntu, do you honestly believe that I'm inclined to move from my rolling release distro that I've used for 4+ years because of a display server? I will ammend my previous comment though since it was a bit radical... I'd sooner stay with Xorg or go to Mac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmidtbag View Post
    I don't think Mir is that bad; lets put it in this way - it's more complete than Wayland
    Mir doesn't have anything functional yet, it's basically just a sparkle in Shuttleworth's eye at this point. Wayland is already at 1.0 with a stable API and has a working reference implementation. In what universe does this make Mir MORE complete???

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    "Mir is an answer to a question nobody asked. It’s a solution to problem which does not exist."

    aha, so why they started wayland then? there exists a problem and actually i do not remember anybody denying it... till now.

    while wayland currently is at best a candidate for a solution who has the right do deny others a different try to provide a solution?

    that sentence i cited is the most arrogant one i heared for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a user View Post
    "Mir is an answer to a question nobody asked. Itís a solution to problem which does not exist."

    aha, so why they started wayland then? there exists a problem and actually i do not remember anybody denying it... till now.

    while wayland currently is at best a candidate for a solution who has the right do deny others a different try to provide a solution?

    that sentence i cited is the most arrogant one i heared for a long time.
    I think it was because Shuttlewoth announced kwin soon should work with MIR that trigged the response. Apparently Canonical have never contributed anything in kwin.

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