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    Default GNOME Will Move Full-Speed With Wayland Support

    Phoronix: GNOME Will Move Full-Speed With Wayland Support

    We already know that KDE developers aren't fond of Mir, Canonical's display server for the Unity desktop not derived from X.Org and Wayland. KDE developers aren't happy about it, some Xfce developers have also expressed dissatisfaction with the recent Canonical changes, and now there's a GNOME response. What's GNOME doing about Mir? They're laying out plans right now to move hard and fast with Wayland support!..

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTMyNjQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoronix View Post
    Phoronix: GNOME Will Move Full-Speed With Wayland Support

    We already know that KDE developers aren't fond of Mir, Canonical's display server for the Unity desktop not derived from X.Org and Wayland. KDE developers aren't happy about it, some Xfce developers have also expressed dissatisfaction with the recent Canonical changes, and now there's a GNOME response. What's GNOME doing about Mir? They're laying out plans right now to move hard and fast with Wayland support!..
    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTMyNjQ
    See Mir is a good thing, we should have Wayland adoption in no time now =).

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    Default Sounds like they are on about the same plan KDE is now

    Exciting times.

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    do you need the driver to support wayland even if you running just xwayland on top? what about the DE, how much of it has to be ready so that you can run xwayland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garegin View Post
    do you need the driver to support wayland even if you running just xwayland on top? what about the DE, how much of it has to be ready so that you can run xwayland?
    The base of the system has to be supported by the driver.

    If your driver supports Wayland, you run Wayland and X-Wayland on top to transparently handle backwards compatibility.

    If it doesn't, then you have to run X like normal. However, you can run Wayland as a layer on top of that for Wayland-specific apps if you want to.

    I suspect it won't take the NVidia drivers too long to support Wayland, though. They've clearly been looking at EGL support for months, it's just a matter of when it will happen at this point. ATI, of course, who knows. I'm guessing they'll probably make it a priority once NVidia gets support for it, but you never know what's going to happen with those drivers.

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    I knew it was healthy to have rivalry, despite the many Mir haters. It benefits everyone having Wayland AND Mir. Now us users will get to benefit sooner than any of us anticipated

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarex View Post
    See Mir is a good thing, we should have Wayland adoption in no time now =).
    One more benefit.

    Ubuntu as distro blessed by Valve WILL land in Steam Box. Hence Canonical have BIGGER leverage over AMD/Nvidia to commit to supporting something new in their gpu drivers (or else they risk missing profits from selling GPU's in those Steam Box'es).

    Wayland do not have that leverage.
    (Tizen will use wayland, but do not know if they choose weston or roll their own solution, and have no idea what requirements there will be for gpu drivers there, nor if Tizen Wayland implementation will be license-compatible with Weston).

    So if Weston folks will wont use API's developed for Mir, than we also gain Wayland on proprietary blobs faster.

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    Default I love Mir!

    It gave such a nice kick in the ass to everyone who was working on Wayland , out of complacency and into action.

    Thank you Mark et al! If that was your plan all along, that's just pure genius!

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    Some people call it fragmentation. I call it selection pressure. Competition is always good for motivating people. Good times ahead!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinN View Post
    It gave such a nice kick in the ass to everyone who was working on Wayland , out of complacency and into action.

    Thank you Mark et al! If that was your plan all along, that's just pure genius!
    That is not true at all.

    Canonical said they'd use Wayland. They decided otherwise but never bothered to tell anyone until way later. We have been assuming they'd do their share of the work needed to use Wayland. Now that Canonical finally made public that they are not going to do their share, we're stepping up.

    Mir is speeding up nothing. Canonical should've made their decision known to GNOME, even if just privately. Now we have been doing work, but still thought they'd do most of it.

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