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    Default Debian Wheezy Now Has Less Than 100 Critical Bugs

    Phoronix: Debian Wheezy Now Has Less Than 100 Critical Bugs

    Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" is now under 100 release-critical bugs. The release of Debian Wheezy is now not too far out...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTMzMzA

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    I always found the Debian way to handle releases quite bizarre, and this time around it's no exception. Debian still tries to be "theoretically bug-free". This unnecessarily delays releases, sometimes for many months, without improving the overall product quality. Meanwhile, bugs are fixed upstream, but new versions are not incorporated. Instead, Debian tries to be more clever than the developers of a particular software, and picks various fixes, or includes custom modifications. Essentially, this often creates Debian-specific forks of many software packages.

    The OpenSSL debacle is a good example of why this is a bad idea.
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    Stability.

    Bug fixing doesn't stop at the program. It also has to inter-opt with other programs and not cause further bugs. With this delay, it does improve the overall product quality.

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    The installer is a big blocker too. In the past, from what I understand, the installer was more of a blocker than the bug count. Reading the mailing lists shows that Debian's Release Team considers the installer close to finished and don't expect it to be a blocker this go-round, though.

    So, no, it's not like a release of 40,000 packages is being held up by bugs in 96 of them. For now. We'll see what happens when the installer is declared release-ready. Then things will get interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brent View Post
    I always found the Debian way to handle releases quite bizarre, and this time around it's no exception. Debian still tries to be "theoretically bug-free".
    Debian is never bug free and never tries to be bug free... What's really bizarre is distros that ship software that crashes during normal usage by an end-user . That's what Debian is trying to avoid doing with their releases, and in addition to that they have a bunch of release goals for packaging and improving all the software in the distro. Not to mention, that Debian packages, by **FAR** more software than any other distro with a lot of devs stretching their time out to cover dozens or even hundreds of packages.


    Quote Originally Posted by brent View Post
    This unnecessarily delays releases, sometimes for many months, without improving the overall product quality.
    How does freezing the archive so that no new bugs can be introduced and making patches that fix application crashes not improve overall product quality? You need to explain your point because you haven't.


    Quote Originally Posted by brent View Post
    Meanwhile, bugs are fixed upstream, but new versions are not incorporated.
    The bug fixes are incorporated during the freeze if they're important bug fixes.

    Quote Originally Posted by brent View Post
    Instead, Debian tries to be more clever than the developers of a particular software, and picks various fixes, or includes custom modifications. Essentially, this often creates Debian-specific forks of many software packages.
    It's not a fork if the patches are accepted and used upstream.. So you're wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by brent View Post
    The OpenSSL debacle is a good example of why this is a bad idea.
    Sooo... 99.999% of security exploits are caused by upstream and the 00.001% of the time that the distro packager makes a mistake, partially because a dev from upstream said "if it helps with debugging, I’m in favor..." You think that's enough of you to make an example out of? Fantastic.
    Last edited by Sidicas; 03-21-2013 at 09:58 PM.

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    Also wish to add: Debian has a lot of packages. It's a complicated distro to begin with, and the huge number of packages only makes it even more complicated. It's a lot easier for a minimalistic distro with only 15,000 packages (Arch Linux) to keep up-to-date with the latest upstream versions than it is for a maximalistic distro with over 40,000 packages to do the same. Debian has to try to be more clever than upstream, simply because there's more variables to the equation. Debian has shit to worry about that upstream does not.

    As for, "Why go the maximalist route?" Well, that's a question of preference. Some people prefer to set it up just the way they like it, and some people prefer to have someone else set it up for them. Debian is for the later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serge View Post
    As for, "Why go the maximalist route?" Well, that's a question of preference. Some people prefer to set it up just the way they like it, and some people prefer to have someone else set it up for them. Debian is for the later.
    IMO, I agree with the maximalist route because if end-users can't find the software they need in your distro's repos, they're going to be inconvenienced... They're going to go google it and of course the high paid websites end up on top (ex: The vlc malware website that bought it's way to a higher search ranking than the official videolan.org website and installed malware on countless PCs before it was shut down).

    Just wait until those malware websites repackage open source software along with malware and start shipping .tar.gz files .. It's going to be more fun than a barrel of monkeys.
    Last edited by Sidicas; 03-22-2013 at 12:48 AM.

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    Default /usr/ merge?

    No /usr/ merge?

    Boring that new fresh Wheezy will use old GNOME 3.4, KDE 4.8, and Xfce 4.8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CthuIhux View Post
    [...] it's draining tonnes of precious resources from the project.[...]
    Would you elaborate that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CthuIhux View Post
    That is a simple way to speed up the coming release for Debian, forget about the useless kFreeBSD port. No one will use it and it's draining tonnes of precious resources from the project.

    Also, kick those how suggested, starting and work on the kFreeBSD port from Debian. The project will run much better without them. Seriously.
    If you don't like it, try another distro, and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

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