04-22-2013, 12:21 PM
Yadda yadda yadda...
Originally Posted by Squarepusher
I'll believe it for myself when I see a FOSS game with the same graphical quality and entertainment value of an AA-grade game (forget AAA-grade, not gonna happen) found on Windows, the PS3, the Wii, the Xbox or even the DSi / 3DS or PS Vita.
If an analogue / comparison is desired, think Crysis 1-era graphics. The day I see a complete FOSS game that matches the gameplay value and graphical quality of Crysis 1 on 'Ultra' settings with the highest MSAA settings running on 60fps using open drivers is the day I'm convinced.
Last edited by Sonadow; 04-22-2013 at 12:25 PM.
04-22-2013, 12:24 PM
04-22-2013, 12:25 PM
Notice that I am not a 'FLOSS' fundamentalist. I have often rallied against certain FLOSS leaders and I think Stallman is a nutjob on certain issues.
Originally Posted by Sonadow
However - do I think the majority of the App Store 'hucksters' are trailertrash scum with zero values? Yes, I do - and over and over I see that reaffirmed in pieces of trash like BO$$. There are FEW exceptions to this rule. I'll call it the Squarepusher Rule - I call it as I see it. If the shoe fits, wear it.
There is a massive difference between a homebrew guy from 2004 and 2005 vs. these parasitic, low-skills 'hucksters' that comprise the vast majority of the Apple Store and Android Stores. These are not 'real developers' and they are not 'real businessmen' either - what they are, is that they are despicable pieces of trailer trash that frankly should be off sitting in their trailers watching low-grade entertainment such as WWE instead of taking up a job in the software industry.
Yes, you can quote me on that - and I don't care how many people I'll offend by saying that. Anybody who puts 'app monetization' before any real qualities concerning a 'game' or any 'product' is a part of the problem and frankly should get out, get lost and take up a 'financial services' job instead. Keep your scamming ways out of the programming world thank you very much - we don't need you dishonest scum around here and the world at large doesn't need you sewer trash as well.
Last edited by Squarepusher; 04-22-2013 at 12:29 PM.
04-22-2013, 12:35 PM
Gutter-trash first person shooters that are all about militaristic 'kill kill kill' is what i call social degeneration and not a good idea to invest one's time in. Moreover, I wouldn't want to emulate that even if my life depended on it.
Originally Posted by Sonadow
If you think 'COD' is something to be proud of, then fine - just know that there is a backlash building up against this kind of 'social degeneration' - and really, 'you are what you eat' also applies to 'you are what you play' - if all you play is gutter trash videogames where everything is about torture and killing, then hey, don't be surprised when one of these nutjobs starts playing around with the idea of setting off a few bombs or killing some people for real. You guys think you can have your cake and eat it as well - not going to happen son - this stuff is defnitely having a psychological effect on people, and to just say 'videogame violence' has no effect on people is just playing to the pathetic CEOs in this 'game business' that want to shift the blame and put it all on 'parents being responsible'. Sorry son - that shit won't fly when this is an industry that fetishizes violence, fetishizes torture and gun porn.
Jack Thompson was right in the end about the kind of 'gutter trash' sewer that most modern games have become. You can blame him all you want but it's time to start acting like a grown-up and realize what most of these games are. Are they a good and educated 'form of entertainment'? No, they are gutter trash - it is about as low a form of entertainment as the WWE. Time to call a spade a spade.
Last edited by Squarepusher; 04-22-2013 at 12:38 PM.
04-22-2013, 12:38 PM
Nobody is asking you to emulate Crysis 1's gameplay. So stop that selective reading and actually READ the whole post, not just the parts you want to see.
Originally Posted by Squarepusher
Get FOSS games to the same graphical quality as Crysis 1 capable of running at Ultra with 16xMSAA on open drivers with an average fps of 60 and we shall see. And I have very good reason to doubt that OpenGL can come close to what game studios are currently capable of doing doing with DirectX11.
Last edited by Sonadow; 04-22-2013 at 12:41 PM.
04-22-2013, 12:41 PM
What makes you think I'm a spokesperson for FOSS?
Originally Posted by Sonadow
I'm not. In fact - I am one of their biggest critics. I don't care about this issue ('open-source games being comparable to commercial') one way or another - it's a red herring.
04-22-2013, 12:47 PM
Hey bubba - I can't help it if the socially backwards country you live in glorifies killing, glorifies torture, glorifies abuse and glorifies bombs. You reap what you sow. We don't have those problems over here in Europe for the most part (unless it happens to be Eastern-European marauding gangs and other 'import' products 'culturally enriching' society at large).
Originally Posted by BO$$
What you are seeing there is the after effects of 20 years of ultra-violent movies/games/music and now the chickens are coming home to roost where people can't distinguish reality from fiction anymore and young people are more interested in 'violence' and 'torture' than they are about sex. Hell, how can they distinguish 'reality' from 'fiction' when pretty soon they will be walking around with Google Ass (errr.. 'Glass') strapped on their heads like some Borg idiot?
That is America for you. You guys need to 'stop playing the victim' and realize that most of you shits are failing to take responsibility for the backwards way your country and the politicians/elite/businesses that OWN IT have been acting all over the world for the better part of a decade now. You are seeing the side effects of what happens when society as a whole doesn't give a shit about values (which is also why, unlike you, I care about being honest and about being a 'honest software developer' instead of some schmuck entrepreneur - I know where the corrupting process begins and where it ends).' The Romans went through this same period of social degeneration as well - you guys are following in their footsteps all too well. And you all know what happens in the end.
Either hold your 'elite' accountable or go sit there, cry in a corner about how there are 'terrorists' and people doing harm to other people - while failing to realize your negligence and your apathy is partly to blame for that. You are letting them get away that shit - as did your parents - as did their friends - which is why you guys are in the situation you are in now. Too much SoCal 'peacock behavior' and too little 'working class solidarity' to give a shit about other people, the poor, charity, et al. You are part of that problem as a self-styled 'entrepreneur' which is one of the other reasons why I relish in attacking your kind and calling you out for what you are.
Last edited by Squarepusher; 04-22-2013 at 12:54 PM.
04-22-2013, 12:55 PM
If you don't like it then compete.... It's that simple.... The US is by far the number one producer of media. Create your own Movies, Music, Art, Games, Novels, etc, etc. If you think your way is better then proliferate it. Start producing and stop bitching.
Last edited by duby229; 04-22-2013 at 12:57 PM.
04-22-2013, 01:00 PM
Lulz - 'designed in California, made in China' more often than not - even Avatar 2 will be brought to you now by Beijing. So Hollywood is already giving you the finger as well. I'm a betting man - 7 out of 10 says more and more 'western 'game devs will be getting sacked over the years and replaced by Chinese automatons who will be able to 'produce' the game just the same - and without the middleman - the 'western entrepreneur' - entering into the mix as well. Your government is setting you 'bubble economy' enterpreneurs up for big failure - you idiots just don't realize it yet, just like the 'dotcom' idiots back in the late '90s didn't get it until it was too late.
Originally Posted by duby229
Seriously son - time to wake up and smell the coffee - you are no longer 'Number 1' in anything. And pathetic service level economies like games/movies/music are not going to help you 'retain' the number 1 spot. It takes REAL PHYSICAL PRODUCTION to get back to number one.
The Chinese are doing just that. They will be eating your lunch in the foreseeable future - you just don't know it yet.
Which is why it's doubly hilarious when I see these western 'entrepreneurs' thinking they're 'making it big' while they have to resort to China to get their shitty Kickstarted products (like an Ouya) actually assembled and built. What kind of an MBA moron do you have to be not to realize that if your country is not the sole proprietor of PHYSICAL PRODUCTION, that you are in danger of being 'TOPPLED OVERNIGHT' by the country that does?
Your MBA degree is not worth the paper it's printed on if you can't see which way the wind is blowing - and the way the wind is blowing means you as a 'western entrepreneur' are not going to amount to 'jack shit' all - have fun with that 'lifestyle' after the bubble has burst - it won't be pretty - don't say you weren't warned.
Last edited by Squarepusher; 04-22-2013 at 01:03 PM.
04-22-2013, 01:03 PM
I hate to to be the one to tell you, but you don't know history very well. The Egyptians, Hellenist Greeks, Romans and even the USSR all collapsed because of social policies. WELFARE STATES DONT WORK.
Stop bitching and start producing. Get a job and go to work reliably. Stop mooching off your mother. Quite applying for government aids. Support yourself. Buy your own food. Pay for your own school. If you have to work through college then just fucking do it. Life isnt easy, and the fucking socialist government isnt going to make it easy. When the government that you love so much collapses because it can't support you and all your socialist cronies, then what the fuck are you going to do then? Huh? Will you finally get off your lazy fucking ass and get a job then?
Last edited by duby229; 04-22-2013 at 01:10 PM.