BTW, has the Mir backend been merged to mesa?
Back in March a Canonical employee got no reply following his initial patch.
...nnnope, I'm pretty sure I just gave a lot of good reasons why Mir is inferior. Technical merits are not matters of opinion. Also, so far Mir does not even exist, Wayland does and it is on is already being used.Mir is inferior just because you want to think of it that way.
It's not good for the rest of the ecosystem.It's good that it's controlled by a single entity, it means that it will do what they want it to do and that it will fit their needs.
Wayland will not fall anywhere, because it will be used where it counts... Ubuntu's popularity on the desktop doesn't matter, as that is the smallest segment of Linux adoption as of now. Ubuntu is the big fish in the small pond. The real money is currently somewhere entirely else. Render farms, servers, supercomputers, devices, embedded, cloud, enterprise... The popularity of Linux desktop will happen eventually, but for it to happen, there needs to be a strong, healthy ecosystem of interoperable distros, with reasonable cross-compatibility... we don't need solo-acts like Ubuntu mudding the waters, the best way to promote growth is to play nice in the sandbox.Even if it won't be ready before wayland they can still push for it and when it will be ready since Ubuntu == Linux.... Wayland will fall aside.
However Ubuntu is seemingly no longer interested in being a Real Linux distro, because it is setting itself apart in a way that is incompatible with the rest of ecosystem. Also, you're again showing the sociopathic attitude which Canonical promotes, which goes against all the ideals of the open source software which they built their OS on.
The more likely scenario is: Mir will not be ready on time. Canonical devs are unable to get it working well enough for the next LTS release. Meanwhile, Wayland will already be in use in the bleeding-edge distros like Fedora. Ubuntu will be forced to choose, either forget Mir and go with Wayland like the real distros (smart choice), or try pushing an unfinished, buggy product on the users, alienating people away from Ubuntu (stupid choice).
You sound like a mafia boss. Is that another symptom of the sociopathic "me me me" attitude of Canonical? If the toolkits won't co-operate, what, you'll break their legs?Other toolkits will play along nicely don't you worry about that.
2/10, troll harder.What you fail to understand is that there is no linux for the normal user except Ubuntu. Arch and other BS don't exist. Maybe you use them and think they are popular but they are not. Ubuntu gets pushed preinstalled on laptops and it's adoption rate will go up. Canonical is right to want more control because you can't trust a bunch of devs on the internet to have the best user's interest. If you had a corporation you would do the same. Control is very good when you want to take linux from 1% to more. Control is exactly what they need.
What you fail to realize is that the rest of the world is moving away from centralized control schemes. The advantage of open source is that it's not under the control of any central authority. That is why windows and other proprietary OS's are losing ground, why Linux is becoming more and more popular. It is very shortsighted for Canonical to throw away the one thing that is trending like hotcakes right now. You fail to understand that, because you're a follower. You need that shiny SteveJobsian prophet showing the way, leading the troops to glory.
Also, I'd like to know who are the "bunch of devs on the internet". I wasn't aware that anyone actually lived on the internet?
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i don t care about mir or wayland, i want a good free SO with linux kernel, who will works ofc
Are you really that high? No central authority? Hmmmm, I seem to remember this guy Linux Torvalds you might have heard of him, and Red Hat. There actually are a fiew really big corporations that make the bulk of linux code, not the basement rebels who think they are free. Windows is losing ground because they made a stupid mistake with the interface in Windows 8. Linux is becoming more popular because somebody made it useful on the desktop (hint: it starts with C and ends with anonical). Another example: Android. It got popular because Google made it. If they were to wait for your beloved open source ecosystem there would have been no Android on the phones in a million years. Again, centralized. And it worked like a charm.The advantage of open source is that it's not under the control of any central authority. That is why windows and other proprietary OS's are losing ground, why Linux is becoming more and more popular.
Or, since people hate choice more like there will be only one that will hold that majority... Ubuntu for example. Stop hallucinating with the strong healthy interoperable distros, nobody is playing nice with others, everyone of them has particularities that make it hard to run things on others. Hell there is no interoperable package system and you say that there will be cross compatibility among distros. Maybe in a few hundred years.The popularity of Linux desktop will happen eventually, but for it to happen, there needs to be a strong, healthy ecosystem of interoperable distros, with reasonable cross-compatibility
Where where? Give me a major distro that comes with wayland by default!Also, so far Mir does not even exist, Wayland does and it is on is already being used.
Even if Mir end up inferior it will run on both phones and desktops. Canonical will push for it and they seem to have some connections with the big players. What you don't understand is that not the best from the tehnical point of view wins. Most of the times politics win. That's how it is in the real world and that is how it is even in the geeky linux world of people who say they hate politics and try to hide from it because they suck at it. As you might have noticed power isn't gathered by the brightest or best or whatever but by those who know how to play the game. Canonical is better at this and have lot of money to use in order to impose their view. You may not like it but unless you're a multimillionaire you'll just learn to play along nicely. Canonical has been founded by Shuttleworth. Because he is rich. How exactly are you gonna counter that? Ubuntu is here to stay. And yes they have enough political power to impose their views if necessary. Right now I think their views reflect the needs of the users better than what the 'community' came up with lately. So them forcing others is actually doing the end users a service. And those are the only ones that matter. Especially if you want to solve bug #1.
If you don't know anybody using Ubuntu or other distros then you just need to get out of the basement more often.