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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOne View Post
    At this rate they may be really able to ship on 2014 as they said.
    I'll believe it when i see it, but best of luck to them.

    It seems like we've seen this same story about 3 times now in the last couple days. Nothing but Ubuntu news going on right now, apparently.

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    Default Debian graphics stack might work for derivatives if Ubuntu's becomes incompatable.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackCat View Post
    There is the question of their graphics stack. It has to support Wayland. If they patch it to only support Mir, then that would require the other *buntu groups to maintain their own stack.
    And any *buntu such as Kubuntu finding themselves locked out of the graphics stack could put all of their own packages, plus alternative/renamed versions of Mesa and X or Wayland pulled from Debian into Universe. If that won't work, they could include the necessary Debian repo directly in their own /etc/apt/sources.list, operating as a mixed system. Debian will already be having to mantain a graphics stack independant of Ubuntu, why do this twice?

    Would be necessary to set pin-priorities so the usable Ubuntu packages would not also be replaced by the Debian versions. Same for mint, etc: If the Ubuntu graphics stack conflicts with Wayland, with X, or with a needed driver, Debian's stack is out there. If for some reason even that runs into conflicts, rebasing on Debian is worst-case scenario. Mint, in fact, keeps their Debian-only based version around, I suspect for reasons of insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackCat View Post
    There is the question of their graphics stack. It has to support Wayland. If they patch it to only support Mir, then that would require the other *buntu groups to maintain their own stack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Luke View Post
    And any *buntu such as Kubuntu finding themselves locked out of the graphics stack could put all of their own packages, plus alternative/renamed versions of Mesa and X or Wayland pulled from Debian into Universe. If that won't work, they could include the necessary Debian repo directly in their own /etc/apt/sources.list, operating as a mixed system. Debian will already be having to mantain a graphics stack independant of Ubuntu, why do this twice?

    Would be necessary to set pin-priorities so the usable Ubuntu packages would not also be replaced by the Debian versions. Same for mint, etc: If the Ubuntu graphics stack conflicts with Wayland, with X, or with a needed driver, Debian's stack is out there. If for some reason even that runs into conflicts, rebasing on Debian is worst-case scenario. Mint, in fact, keeps their Debian-only based version around, I suspect for reasons of insurance.
    But do you guys really think Canonical will want to re-write that low in the stack? I mean, don't they already have their hands full?

    Then again, they already looked like they had their hands full five random in-house projects ago, so maybe they're willing to take on a bit more after all.

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    Default Wayland

    I'd rather see Unity on Wayland than on Mir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uid313 View Post
    I'd rather see Unity on Wayland than on Mir.
    +1000

    would be wonderful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serge View Post
    But do you guys really think Canonical will want to re-write that low in the stack? I mean, don't they already have their hands full?
    They have to. No matter what Canonical needs to write and maintain the Mesa patches necessary to run Mir. If Mesa doesn't include these upstream, which I doubt they will, then Ubuntu will need to create and maintain them. If they are doing that they may remove the Wayland-related components, or they may not. We don't know at this point whether Canonical intends to support Wayland or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke View Post
    And any *buntu such as Kubuntu finding themselves locked out of the graphics stack could put all of their own packages, plus alternative/renamed versions of Mesa and X or Wayland pulled from Debian into Universe. If that won't work, they could include the necessary Debian repo directly in their own /etc/apt/sources.list, operating as a mixed system. Debian will already be having to mantain a graphics stack independant of Ubuntu, why do this twice?
    That depends on whether the Debian one is recent enough. If Debian is frozen that may not be an option.

    Further, how much of Ubuntu do they need to replace with Debian before they are no longer a Ubuntu-based distro at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackCat View Post
    That depends on whether the Debian one is recent enough. If Debian is frozen that may not be an option.

    Further, how much of Ubuntu do they need to replace with Debian before they are no longer a Ubuntu-based distro at all?
    Well, that's rather like the Ship of Theseus paradox...

    If you take a shovel, and replace the handle, the shaft and the head, will it still be the same shovel? That's a question without an answer, because it depends on the viewpoint - if you consider this particular shovel to be the sum of its parts, then it ceases being the same shovel the moment you replace the first part. But if you consider the shovel to be the thing you use to dig holes, you could say that it never ceases being the same shovel, because no matter how many parts you replace, it will still be the "thing you use to dig holes".

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackCat View Post
    Further, how much of Ubuntu do they need to replace with Debian before they are no longer a Ubuntu-based distro at all?
    Alternatively, more than a half.

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    Default Ubuntu is based on Debian unstable

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackCat View Post
    That depends on whether the Debian one is recent enough. If Debian is frozen that may not be an option.

    Further, how much of Ubuntu do they need to replace with Debian before they are no longer a Ubuntu-based distro at all?
    Ubuntu is based on Debian unstable as I recall. Has this been changd? As I recall, Debian testing is frozen sometime, but do they ever freeze unstable?

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