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    Quote Originally Posted by blackiwid View Post
    Dont know about that... academic grades does matter less and less theese days. maybe I am wrong here but in germany it does not help you much to get a job.... its more like a min-requirement for some jobs... but like google manager said last week or so... good grades doesnt matter anymore at least for them.

    I dont think it helps you very much today... except like I said in germany and maybe on some other companies worldwide it is a min-requirement but for such a specialist that will most likely get applications from companies for starting a job I dont thinkt he would earn 1 dollar more or less with or without that grade.

    maybe if he gets older and needs still work because he did not get rich or he lost the money or something maybe in 20 years that matters.

    I have a diplom but today I even regret it a bit... you set maybe some wrong expectations... and you get older both helps you not by finding a job.

    Maybe I get discriminated by my weight, thats not illigal here for that reason and even if it would be try too proofe that ^^.

    here in germany job experience is basicly all if you have it you get a job if you dont its basicly excepted that you make more or less salary-free prakticas first... or again like I said if you are very lucky have a business appearence and have specialiest one some old garbage technology like java or even better even if you are retarded if you are willing to do SAP you will get a good payed job. But I have some self-respect so I am instead diplom-unemployed for some years now.
    sure a code monkey doesn't need a degree in 99% of cases where he writes code

    thing is, that learning about stuff (as in, what's possible, what's out there in programming) and having at lest decent understanding of algebra and statistics helps, if only so that you know how to benchmark properly

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    Marek is the Radeon superhero!

    He is the guy who really does all the work on the Radeon driver, he is awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by timothyja View Post
    Not everything is about getting a job or making money
    yes thats a valid point, and he must maybe not have fear to find nothing after he is done because he specialiest in something interesting. I did study also not for a job but for the experience and get more experience even more in live than in coding or math or something.


    Quote Originally Posted by timothyja View Post
    As for your current job situation obvious I dont know your background or what you do with your time, but the one thing I would say is you probably need to be more proactive. Aside from a degree the best thing you can have on your resume these days is a reference to some open source contributions, it shows you are both passionate about programming and have a willingness to learn. Setup an account at https://www.ohloh.net/ so that you can easily track your contributions and you can then give one link in you resume that potential employers can look at.
    But I had a job before I studied got 3800 DM that was 1900 Euro before taxes, without any real official training grade. I just got in my technical school beside studying allowence an "proofed assistent for communication and information technics" I got that job at that time 1 call to a company and I got the job no other applications needed.
    It was a java job Jsp to be more clear. I knew way less stuff than I know now... its not the point... I got many invites and I get still some for interviews... I was on 30 or so interviews... I dont want to anymore now... Its to much brainfuck. So its not my contributions (made as example a singstar like game and released it under gpl3 and some other stuff).

    I dont even really know what exactly the point is. there are 3 maybe problems. 1. Maybe I got a bit depressed working at the end of my study to much and then the moving away... so that helps not with your pressence in a interview and when I then got some refuses that helped here not too 2. specialiest in linux and python primary, was open to others but to be open does not matter they have to much people per job to not make somebody that is perfectly for that job. 3. like I said I get very often interview-dates... nearly 50% of my applications. so I think my overweight could be a reason too. Ok that I refuse to wear a suit, too. ok there is a 4. german companies are hyper-conservative most of the time. so you have 40% java jobs 30% .net jobs and 20% SAP jobs and the rest is maybe interesting stuff. So many people try to get one of the 10% jobs. I mean I am flexible but its retarded I tryed even getting a job as network admin in that interview I learned that you have to have many experince with every tool they need or they are better people it seems. I had a interview as nomral linux system admin did not work too. I mean normaly for that jobs you dont need a academic degree. I tried to get a job as php developer I made a bigger website in php before... but it basicly did fail at the point that I did not develop this php page OO that was around the time where php5 was new and php4s OO wasnt so much used I think. But I am able to develop in several other OO languages so I find it studid that you dont get a job because of that.

    I even got a refusel one time, because somebody else did directly fly 500 miles to that job and moved into a hotel. (If he would have said something like that is a must have point to get that job, I would done that.)

    That leads to point 5. even if one of the other points is a issue for me to not get a job, it can only be a problem, because there are way more developers on the market than jobs are there. I find that game dumb. Especialy pervers it gets if you then hear in the media always how much I think you cant even translate that bullshit-words "fachkräfte-mangel" and you hear that to less people study technical stuff and so on... but in fact this many people that study such technical stuff now will have to move out of germany or get to a big percentage unemployed or they do moneyless prakticas. they say we have a "fachkräfte-mangel" because of the age pyramid, but that will hit if we really need this kind of people really if that happening in 10-15 years.

    Today even in the IT sector they first have very high interest in people with 5 years experience... but everyone that dont have that are not wanted basicly. yes there are the other people that get jobs, but the demand is definativly less than people are there.

    And basicly we IT guys are one reason that happens... its called automation and rationalisation... I now find it especialy dumb because this unemployment of people (whats a lie in the words I have many work) is a real good thing... we should jsut give a unconditional income grant. Btw what here sucks too is that its pretty hard to get self-employed, that would be a option too for me. But our social system is to unflexibel to just work a bit you have to work much there are also basicly no part-time jobs in this sector... very very unflexibal work-market for the workers, its maximum flexible for the companies now yes, but not for the worker...



    If your looking for a project to get started with I would gladly offer some suggestions. Being unemployed you have a big advantage here as you should have the time to rack up some considerably large contributions. Myself working full time and having a family I find it hard to find the time to contribute regularly however even my small contribution have helped both getting jobs and even recently I was contacted out of the blue by Google for a phone interview without ever applying for a job.
    I had a job interview on the phone for a google job too. So here it was definativly not my weight ^^. But the market is to hard... you have to be a expert to get a job... they dont want people that are able to learn new stuff fast, they want only experts.

    or people that are good enough to simulate to be a expert... my wordings are not so forward, I dont say I can java I can c++, I can ruby, I can php, I can OO even in python I would maybe give me a 4 of 5 points and thats my thing. I can admin database and develop on it, I can use git, I can do packaging (for gentoo and for ubuntu ppa I did that)... I am even a kind of successful projectleader if you will, the sing-star game was a project with 2 other students but I was more or less the project leader... I would be a good integration engineer too I think... I selected the tools to work together at this time svn and some other stuff... now of course I use git instead... also for several years. my technical skill is pretty high, but I dont fit in many drawers, and I am overweight something like that must be the problem ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by uid313 View Post
    Marek is the Radeon superhero!

    He is the guy who really does all the work on the Radeon driver, he is awesome!
    From what I've heard, radeon MSAA is still slow as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackiwid View Post
    you have to be a expert to get a job... they dont want people that are able to learn new stuff fast, they want only experts...
    Well yes, this is what I've experienced too during my "orientation" phase. Having a good general education is not a guarantee to get a job. And I don't think this is a phenomenon unique to German job market.

    You have to specialize yourself. Find something you enjoy and focus on it. Open source projects are indeed a great way to do it. When you manage that, you will have no problems finding a job. People will be calling you to work for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackiwid View Post
    2. specialist in linux and python primary, was open to others but to be open does not matter they have to much people per job to not make somebody that is perfectly for that job.
    3. like I said I get very often interview-dates... nearly 50% of my applications. so I think my overweight could be a reason too. Ok that I refuse to wear a suit, too.
    4. german companies are hyper-conservative most of the time. so you have 40% java jobs 30% .net jobs and 20% SAP jobs and the rest is maybe interesting stuff.
    1) German companies are conservative.
    2) You refuse to wear a suit to an interview.

    This probably doesn't help, and it's not unique to Germany, in England if you turn up to an interview not in a suit then you need to be fantastic, because it's regarded as a slight on the interviewer. If you turn up not wearing a suit, saying "I don't know X but I can learn it." then why wouldn't they take you when they can take somebody who has a few years experience working with it? Not trying to be harsh to you, but from their perspective the decision probably seems quite clear.

    If you're getting a lot of interviews but not getting past them then perhaps your interview technique needs some work?


    [QUOTE=blackiwid;340255]there are also basicly no part-time jobs in this sector... very very unflexibal work-market for the workers, its maximum flexible for the companies now yes, but not for the worker...

    Part-time jobs will only exist if a company has a need for them, and most companies make the decision that they'd rather have a full-time worker so that more work can be done. Having said that, I've generally found that it's possible to negotiate.


    Quote Originally Posted by blackiwid View Post
    I had a job interview on the phone for a google job too. So here it was definativly not my weight ^^. But the market is to hard... you have to be a expert to get a job... they dont want people that are able to learn new stuff fast, they want only experts.
    It definitely sucks, but it's understandable that they want experts, they might fall for people who talk themselves up a bit more, but it's because they're trying to get the best people they can. The frustrating thing I found was that since everybody else was speaking highly of themselves, modesty and understatement only damaged my chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackiwid View Post
    Dont know about that... academic grades does matter less and less theese days. maybe I am wrong here but in germany it does not help you much to get a job.... its more like a min-requirement for some jobs... but like google manager said last week or so... good grades doesnt matter anymore at least for them.

    I dont think it helps you very much today... except like I said in germany and maybe on some other companies worldwide it is a min-requirement but for such a specialist that will most likely get applications from companies for starting a job I dont thinkt he would earn 1 dollar more or less with or without that grade.

    maybe if he gets older and needs still work because he did not get rich or he lost the money or something maybe in 20 years that matters.

    I have a diplom but today I even regret it a bit... you set maybe some wrong expectations... and you get older both helps you not by finding a job.

    Maybe I get discriminated by my weight, thats not illigal here for that reason and even if it would be try too proofe that ^^.

    here in germany job experience is basicly all if you have it you get a job if you dont its basicly excepted that you make more or less salary-free prakticas first... or again like I said if you are very lucky have a business appearence and have specialiest one some old garbage technology like java or even better even if you are retarded if you are willing to do SAP you will get a good payed job. But I have some self-respect so I am instead diplom-unemployed for some years now.
    That is complete and utter nonsense, or an unbelievable misunderstanding of what you've been told.
    Simply, we won't even *consider* an applicant who doesn't have the necessary academic background as a very minimum. If they do and satisfy us through the application process, then they may be granted a provisional employment, during which time we test their practical capabilities.

    A problem we find with applicants without an academic background is that they may be good at a few things they've self learned, but tend to lack structure, so they may be brilliant in some areas, but fall to pieces on certain very very simple things. The academic background guarantees a well rounded skill set and a capability of learning ** UNDER DIRECTION **. A graduate degree indicates an ability to learn ** INDEPENDENTLY **.

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    Quote Originally Posted by log0 View Post
    You have to specialize yourself. Find something you enjoy and focus on it. Open source projects are indeed a great way to do it. When you manage that, you will have no problems finding a job. People will be calling you to work for them.
    and I think that is special in germany that that will not happen, except from abroad but I dont want to america or china or somewhere... not even all countries in europe are ok except the job description + payment would be really extremly good, and they would search me a appartment.

    Quote Originally Posted by archibald View Post
    If you turn up not wearing a suit, saying "I don't know X but I can learn it." then why wouldn't they take you when they can take somebody who has a few years experience working with it? Not trying to be harsh to you, but from their perspective the decision probably seems quite clear.
    thats for me the problem... its like 1900 hire and fire... there are 100 out the door waiting for the job...

    I dont want to live in such a world or other said I am not that compromise-able or in other words I dont let me blackmail. I want a working-market... today we have company dictatorships + oligopol on the job offers.

    Its like I dont know if you know this game outside of germany translated "travel to jerusalem" its where you have 10 guys to 10 chairs they run around and sound plays... then somebody takes away one chair... then the music stops... all have to sit down the one who did not found a chair, has lost.

    I dont give into this perversion. Even if it costs me much... its the same things that if its hard to get a job, many will make cheap or completly salary less internships. That sound logical for this one person because he has better changes to get after this a job. But if all/most people do that, you kill the prices of the other companies they have to use such people too to press down the prices... and then they have to do it more and more... and in the end we have less real jobs.

    I am not used to use failed software like Microsoft windows or such crap... just because somebody wants to force me into using this nsa-upload-tool. I will not go into this logic. I will not feed the rich.

    we produce year over year more wealth. but our saleries go down down down... I do it if its reasonable easy to get with my experince to do so... but if beeing everywhere one of the best and having a study degree and other stuff is not enough I dont make a money out off me to make the rich people richer.

    I take than the fight to make a update to our human rights or try to fix them in the first place... to kill company dictatorships.

    I dont even blame totaly the companies... they do what their job is to make people useless so they can be more effective... but we have to either all work only 25-30 hours a week (at least in the middle) or have to see it as a sucess that we can free people and give them some money to work for the wealth of the econemy by making openosurce products raising children or doing other stuff.

    But there are people out there who really want jobs... because they nearly cant live withtout it, not to mention than in some countries we life in middle age where they not even conditional give the people the money to survive when no jobs are there.

    They give kids away because they have no jobs and with that no money because they have no social system.

    Money will be reseted 5-30 years... so working 60hours a week to make my health damage and that when I am not really wanted is not what I will do in between that time.... I can live with the social system, if needed, if I find a way to make a bit more then the social money with max 30 hours work independend from a company I will maybe do that...

    Or I camp on frankfurt (german wallstreet) or something.... this system is going down... 50% youth unemployment in europe... its not only me... the problem is that there are to less jobs thats the problem why some people get no jobs if its me or some other poor guy doenst matter that much. only for egoists that is importent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calinou View Post
    From what I've heard, radeon MSAA is still slow as hell.
    Err, no it isn't. On the contrary, it is now as fast as it possibly can be. Of course MSAA is still slower than no MSAA, but that's to be expected. But still, even on slow GPUs with little memory and bandwidth, the impact of 2-4x MSAA is rather small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomato View Post
    sure a code monkey doesn't need a degree in 99% of cases where he writes code

    thing is, that learning about stuff (as in, what's possible, what's out there in programming) and having at lest decent understanding of algebra and statistics helps, if only so that you know how to benchmark properly
    Nobody _needs_ a degree to learn anything, you can figure it all out via books, yourself, or on the internet. However the point of structured education is the people teaching you should have been there and done it, so they should be able to provide you with a wide breath of the important material while you left on your own devices won't know what is and is not important from the get go. Obviously some people like learning in groups and it helps some to talk to professors but 90% of uni is "here is what you need to learn" and you go and do that by yourself. The bit of paper you get at the end only shows that you've achieved a fairly low minimum standard and in the future you will be judged based on the actual self learning you do.

    To the guy whining about needing a job and conspiracy theories ask yourself this, why should a company hire you if there is no tangible benefit to doing so? You need to learn some real world skills and almost certaintly need to lower your expectations. While there are obvious exceptions most folks who leave uni can't really code or build anything interesting, until you can and you can display that knowledge you're probably going to be left on the scrap heap. Things might not be great for kids, but the ones who try harder are still getting jobs. Spend less time whining about the system and more time figuring out that you're not actually owed a living, you need to make it.
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