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    Default Mark Shuttleworth Declares Mir A Performance Win

    Phoronix: Mark Shuttleworth Declares Mir A Performance Win

    Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth has been running the Mir Display Server for the past two weeks. After doing so, he's very happy with the Mir experience in Ubuntu 13.10 at this stage in its development and already feels that it's smoother than with X. He's blogged about his experience of running Mir on Ubuntu Linux...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQwNjM

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    Subjective feelings of performance are more complex than any mere benchmarks can show. I remember playing with Wayland on Rebecca Black Linux when that was first released. Everything about it subjectively felt way better than X.org, but I doubt hard numbers would've backed me up on it back then. They might these days, but this was when RBL was first released.

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    I'm going to keep my mouth shut for now about future predictions, Mir is still in early development. Considering that it was only unveiled a few months ago, and we already have a working desktop, it's doing very well IMO.

    I wouldn't exactly call the performance of Mir a "win" at this point, more like a "decent start". I don't see myself using Mir/Wayland until there is no performance loss compared to X, or at the very least proprietary drivers are supported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enfocomp View Post
    I'm going to keep my mouth shut for now about future predictions, Mir is still in early development. Considering that it was only unveiled a few months ago, and we already have a working desktop, it's doing very well IMO.

    I wouldn't exactly call the performance of Mir a "win" at this point, more like a "decent start". I don't see myself using Mir/Wayland until there is no performance loss compared to X, or at the very least proprietary drivers are supported.
    Wow you are easy to impress. It just takes a fork of XWayland to run a fullscreen X Server on Mir and people think Mir is actually going somewhere. Quite nice that the Wayland guys did all the hard work years ago making changes to mesa etc. to make something like this possible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...wMi-eY#t=6189s But hey let's ignore that. Canonical forked something behind closed doors and made it public a few month ago and are now showing hacky desktops that basically run a rootless X Server. W00t GO MIR!
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    There is someone who still cares about Mark's opinions?
    That would be a real news.

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    please someone push the super key on a i945 system
    enjoy
    is it even possible to test mir right now? as the mir server runs xorg server 1.13 and the saucy repo without xmir runs 1.14 resulting in me having issues upgrading

    BUT
    the jumpy Lenovo touchpad issue has comepletely gone for good (what a relief!)

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    It's interesting to see that the wayland guys have been very careful about doing things properly and not pushing beta software out to users, as has happened in some transitions on the linux stack before (like pulseaudio), but then canonical shows up and does the good old "here goes something" bit.

    Honestly I'm torn. I use Ubuntu, and plan on continuing doing so, but I think Mir is just the result of canonical devs just giving into NIH, while Wayland seems to be the path forward. But then, hurd was proper and linux was something. Who knows what will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [Knuckles] View Post
    It's interesting to see that the wayland guys have been very careful about doing things properly and not pushing beta software out to users, as has happened in some transitions on the linux stack before.
    The wayland guys don't have the power to do anything. No other distro cares enough about Wayland to beta test it for them, so of course it hasn't been pushed out. Canonical on the other hand, has a time frame they must meet, and they care deeply about Mir, so they're going to do whatever it takes. They think it will be past the beta stage by the time Ubuntu 13.10 is released, but they still need to have it tested in real world conditions before the LTS in the spring.

    I appreciate what the wayland community is doing, but don't give them credit for making a decision they never had the power (and by extension, the temptation) to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [Knuckles] View Post
    It's interesting to see that the wayland guys have been very careful about doing things properly and not pushing beta software out to users, as has happened in some transitions on the linux stack before (like pulseaudio), but then canonical shows up and does the good old "here goes something" bit.

    Honestly I'm torn. I use Ubuntu, and plan on continuing doing so, but I think Mir is just the result of canonical devs just giving into NIH, while Wayland seems to be the path forward. But then, hurd was proper and linux was something. Who knows what will happen.
    If you want to stay in the ubuntu ecosystem, wayland will be availabe to install when it is ready for consumption(hits debain testing). So you don't have to make a hard decision, install both when wayland become available and see which one you like, all staying on the Ubuntu ecosystem.

    Its exciting to see how things will turn out. I like your Hurd v Linux anology. Hopefully though, both will survive, instead of the one being successful and the other nonexistent, like your example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valeriodean View Post
    There is someone who still cares about Mark's opinions?
    That would be a real news.
    I believe his street cred went out the window with the reversal on Wayland and "creating" Mir atop of Wayland's multi-year efforts. They painted themselves in a corner, and Mir better be all that and a bag of chips when it's delivered, or it's highly unlikely anyone's going to take Canonical seriously for long.....

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