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    Phoronix: GNU Hurd 0.5, GNU Mach 1.4 Released

    In celebration of the GNU project's 30th birthday, GNU Hurd 0.5 has been released along with GNU MIG 1.4 and GNU Mach 1.4...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQ3MTk

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    fantastic project after 30 years continue not done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrecorreia View Post
    fantastic project after 30 years continue not done
    GNU itself is celebrating its 30th birthday. Hurd has been around for 23 years. At what point do you consider it done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanL View Post
    GNU itself is celebrating its 30th birthday. Hurd has been around for 23 years. At what point do you consider it done?
    When it will usable like free bsd for example....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pandev92 View Post
    When it will usable like free bsd for example....

    Did you try Debian GNU/Hurd ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doom_Oo7 View Post
    Did you try Debian GNU/Hurd ?
    Yes, and doesn't start on my apu hehehe

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    Unbelievable! Where do this guys get the motivation to continue to develop this non-sense?
    GNU still lives in the 80s, with all its GUILE and APL crap which nobody will ever use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BO$$ View Post
    It's dead people. Bury it and be done with it. It's a failure. Accept it. Move on.
    the biggest problem I think is driver support, but maybe I am wrong here.
    But there are some features, that are not there in linux, really nice features. So the question is is that a design thing or why is linux not doing that.

    So you could say after 30 years linux cant do stuff that hurd can do, so its a failure
    Of course thats a bit of a joke, but bsd has the wrong lisence and is basicly completly patented as far as I know? So its no alternative.

    I mean the advanteges I refer to to make really true that "everything is a file" even if its a ftp server or something. Yes with mounting u can do something closely, but thats not the same.
    The only programm that could do something similar yet (a link to a ftp file as example) is also another old gnu project emacs with org-mode can do something like that. a Text-link to a ssh file even with su rights or somethign like that.

    So it seems linux is able to do that, but only with old gnu-power ^^ but of course emacs is dead also right? ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackiwid View Post
    the biggest problem I think is driver support, but maybe I am wrong here.
    But there are some features, that are not there in linux, really nice features. So the question is is that a design thing or why is linux not doing that.

    So you could say after 30 years linux cant do stuff that hurd can do, so its a failure
    Of course thats a bit of a joke, but bsd has the wrong lisence and is basicly completly patented as far as I know? So its no alternative.

    I mean the advanteges I refer to to make really true that "everything is a file" even if its a ftp server or something. Yes with mounting u can do something closely, but thats not the same.
    The only programm that could do something similar yet (a link to a ftp file as example) is also another old gnu project emacs with org-mode can do something like that. a Text-link to a ssh file even with su rights or somethign like that.

    So it seems linux is able to do that, but only with old gnu-power ^^ but of course emacs is dead also right? ^^
    I don't really see the point, here. Linux is GPL, just as Hurd. If the only point is to bring the "everything is a file" idea closer to reality, then do it in Linux, instead of wasting efforts duplicating the work of everything else. I believe such a feature could be achieved as a build time switch, not even disturbing everyone else's way. Even if they don't want to work with Linux people because of whatever reason, they could as well fork it, because, again, the license is GPLv2 or above, used in every GNU project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrugiero View Post
    I don't really see the point, here. Linux is GPL, just as Hurd. If the only point is to bring the "everything is a file" idea closer to reality, then do it in Linux, instead of wasting efforts duplicating the work of everything else. I believe such a feature could be achieved as a build time switch, not even disturbing everyone else's way. Even if they don't want to work with Linux people because of whatever reason, they could as well fork it, because, again, the license is GPLv2 or above, used in every GNU project.
    But this modularity is basicly the point of a micro-kernel. So think of you have 1000 different types of things, in a micro kernel as far as I understand it, you have for every mini-thing a seperate "driver" or prozess.

    Like I said it should also be possible, but I think its more difficult to it there, a monolyth kernel is not so good in such stuff.

    There is ftpfs as example in hurd you have a server for everything this servers talk to each other and you can pipe most stuff from one to another.


    Like I said I am no expert on that, and I do not develop any os ^^. I think in the long run it could be the better aproach I know it sounds strange, but look what else did get replaces, now its the x server from one evolutional replace another x11 X11R6 -> Xorg, now its wayland. That took also 30 years or so? 40?

    Why should that not happen one time with linux. a microkernel is more modular, and more modularity is better, its sometimes harder to get there, but if you optimised finaly everything else where will you optimise then.

    But yes it can take another 30 years maybe till a new system will be the main operation system. But bsds userbase is also 1/100 of the linux user base but still its around and kicking. So why not having such small thing for geeks around that in the long run will be mainstream maybe.


    I am also a bit pissed about gpl2 shit, what we have with android nsa-spyware hurts me, its in reallity the biggest crap availible, even windows on tablets/phones is faster/more efficient, and also the apple stuff.

    And btw why have arm systems no bios or efi or even better coreboot on them. I hate the flashing process. its computers why are they not so open like other computers, but ok thats OT now.

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