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    Default Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.5 Preps New Capabilities

    Phoronix: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.5 Preps New Capabilities

    While we're on the lookout for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7, Red Hat has announced today the latest beta of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.5...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQ4MDI

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    Default Here's to hoping...

    RHEL7 comes bundled with Gnome on Wayland!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinN View Post
    RHEL7 comes bundled with Gnome on Wayland!
    That won't happen. Fedora 20 only will have a preview for developers. It will take about six months atleast to get all the outstanding issues fixed.

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    ..and RHEL7 will be based on Fedora 19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RahulSundaram View Post
    That won't happen. Fedora 20 only will have a preview for developers. It will take about six months atleast to get all the outstanding issues fixed.
    There's always tech preview...but I don't think Wayland qualifies as something that enterprise cares about greatly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liam View Post
    There's always tech preview...but I don't think Wayland qualifies as something that enterprise cares about greatly.
    wayland provides security benefits, via running rootless. honestly, if enterprise didn't care about good GUIs then why does Red Hat spend money on working on all those freedesktop.org projects? why even make gnome the default. that's the paradox of Unix. the GUIs are all s***, so they claim that GUIs are for p***ies while at the same time feverishly defending them and spending a lot of effort on improving them.
    make up your mind, either GUIs are important and thus one has to admit that Linux GUIs are in a poor state or Linux is relegated to the server and GUIs are unimportant in which case they should ship RHEL with twm and call it a day.
    At the end of the day the root problem is jealousy and elitism. They are indignant that "stupid" people are able to operate a SAN on a Windows Server with the help of an easy to use GUI. They essentially want server administration to be a club for high priest nerds. Suddenly they are not so special and thus feeling of worthlessness creep in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garegin View Post
    wayland provides security benefits, via running rootless. honestly, if enterprise didn't care about good GUIs then why does Red Hat spend money on working on all those freedesktop.org projects? why even make gnome the default. that's the paradox of Unix. the GUIs are all s***, so they claim that GUIs are for p***ies while at the same time feverishly defending them and spending a lot of effort on improving them.
    make up your mind, either GUIs are important and thus one has to admit that Linux GUIs are in a poor state or Linux is relegated to the server and GUIs are unimportant in which case they should ship RHEL with twm and call it a day.
    At the end of the day the root problem is jealousy and elitism. They are indignant that "stupid" people are able to operate a SAN on a Windows Server with the help of an easy to use GUI. They essentially want server administration to be a club for high priest nerds. Suddenly they are not so special and thus feeling of worthlessness creep in.
    That's just stupid. Red Hat is a business, they care about what their customers care about. Their customers want GUIs, therefore Red Hat develops GUIs and gives their customers GUIs. If you start a business, and start running your business like a nerd still in high school, caring about things like what people consider "elitism" or some shit like that, you don't stay in business for very long.

    - Hey Steve, we got a client here, wants us to provide an OS for 20 workstations, and an upgrade deal for the next 10 years
    - Ok
    - Oh, and they want [GNOME|KDE|Xfce|LXDE] as their desktop environment
    - WHAT? Those noobs! Everyone knows that real pros only use jwm! I'm not doing business with noobs! Tell them to go elsewhere!
    - Right... incidentally, Steve, here's my resignation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by garegin View Post
    wayland provides security benefits, via running rootless. honestly, if enterprise didn't care about good GUIs then why does Red Hat spend money on working on all those freedesktop.org projects? why even make gnome the default. that's the paradox of Unix. the GUIs are all s***, so they claim that GUIs are for p***ies while at the same time feverishly defending them and spending a lot of effort on improving them.
    make up your mind, either GUIs are important and thus one has to admit that Linux GUIs are in a poor state or Linux is relegated to the server and GUIs are unimportant in which case they should ship RHEL with twm and call it a day.
    At the end of the day the root problem is jealousy and elitism. They are indignant that "stupid" people are able to operate a SAN on a Windows Server with the help of an easy to use GUI. They essentially want server administration to be a club for high priest nerds. Suddenly they are not so special and thus feeling of worthlessness creep in.
    Incidentally, the standard edition of Windows Server does make virtually all tasks drop-dead easy with its GUI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garegin View Post
    wayland provides security benefits, via running rootless. honestly, if enterprise didn't care about good GUIs then why does Red Hat spend money on working on all those freedesktop.org projects? why even make gnome the default. that's the paradox of Unix. the GUIs are all s***, so they claim that GUIs are for p***ies while at the same time feverishly defending them and spending a lot of effort on improving them.
    make up your mind, either GUIs are important and thus one has to admit that Linux GUIs are in a poor state or Linux is relegated to the server and GUIs are unimportant in which case they should ship RHEL with twm and call it a day.
    At the end of the day the root problem is jealousy and elitism. They are indignant that "stupid" people are able to operate a SAN on a Windows Server with the help of an easy to use GUI. They essentially want server administration to be a club for high priest nerds. Suddenly they are not so special and thus feeling of worthlessness creep in.
    The security benefits are of neglible use since enterprise is running only stuff either from the repos or other certified software.
    Who says RH doesn't care about good guis? They employee UX people that work on design patterns for ALL RH products except Gnome (as I understand it), however, since those same UX people would probably shoot the gnome designers first
    Why are you getting so worked up? Who are you talking to?
    RH wants to have guis for most of those sysadmin duties but they take time to make. So, no, RH doesn't want sysadmins to be high priests. They want their systems to be as reliable as possible and guis help with that by creating many fewer paths to fix a problem.
    Scripting will still be available for the more unusual stuff just as you have in windows, but guis just make things less error prone as compared to scripts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonadow View Post
    Incidentally, the standard edition of Windows Server does make virtually all tasks drop-dead easy with its GUI.

    Exactly... and on Unix (Linux rather), an 'appealing' alternative is to install things like ajax-enabled/wannabe-rich-GUIs like Webmin, or cPanel for administering the box (cpanel isn't even free, AFAIK)... but not a native GUI, like what you see in OS X's Preferences or Gnome's/KDE's attempt at supplying easy to use configuration GUIs...

    garegin nailed it - had it not been for this ingrained, entrenched elitist attitude of many Unix CLI kings..... Linux, or even UNIX in general would've been a different beast today. Jobs seized on this - putting on a nice GUI (NeXT) on a UNIX-based OS, and look where that got Apple... whereas Linux stayed in its server niche for the longest time.

    Thankfully, this is all past-based, and the momentum to bring a viable linux gui without the crufty 30+ year old X legacy that can benefit corporations and end-users/developer alike has picked up more steam in the last 2 years or so than in the last 5-10 years prior. Intel, RedHat, gnome, kde/qt... there's definite consensus and motivation of where things on the desktop (or mobile) are headed, and even some positive reinforcement in the shape of Mir and Shuttleworth labeling the Wayland effort "a repeat of past (X) mistakes"...

    The lack of a solid GUI for Linux has been (and still currently is, though nowhere near to the same extent) the sole, major demoralizing factor for wider Linux adoption, beyond the server room.
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