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    Default Debian To Switch To Systemd Or Upstart

    Phoronix: Debian To Switch To Systemd Or Upstart

    Debian developers have been in a very polarized discussion recently about replacing their default SysVinit system with a more modern init system; namely, Debian developers are evaluating whether to use systemd or Upstart...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQ5NzQ

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    I will remove Debian from my disk (after 10 years) if they will switch to upstart. Fact that some Canonical employees are moving Debian into Ubuntu way, because of some political reasons is making me sick of them.

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    Default openrc?

    Gentoo's openrc works on both Linux and FreeBSD (also ArchBSD uses it). Considering the similar aims of Debian and Gentoo when it comes to portability and being more of a "framework" not only for Linux, it might be an interesting alternative.

    For features/performance I have no idea how Openrc compares to systemd and upstart.

    EDIT:
    a potentially biased comparison matrix

    http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Talk:Com...f_init_systems

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    Default Canonical Tea Party? Please not! Debian mays tart to become tainted by Ubuntuisms...

    Mark Shuttleworth words were quite funny to me, because Canonical employees and rogue collaborators are the ones that try to influence a non-profit meritocratic organization like Debian to adopt their cathedral-like software. We have more than enough with stuff like CUPS, please avoid this shit.

    I use Debian on some of my systems, but I would remove it as soon as Upstart appears. It's a POS and I'm against Canonical politics, that are destructive to the free software community ways.

    They should ONLY choose a new init system based on objective technical merits, not because some corporate employees are in the governing board of the Debian project.

    OpenRC is a better candidate than Upstart, it's available on both Linux and BSD. But in my opinion, is quite outdated compared to Systemd and other commercial UNIXes.

    Despite the critics towards Systemd, it managed to do things a lot better than others and is progressing in a very fast way (it needs to improve in some important areas, that's true). Maybe Systemd can be improved to support non-linux kernels like FreeBSD or other UNIX-like ones like illumos, if there are enough developers and a good organized plan.

    Systemd is heavily inspired on Solaris SMF, maybe it could be interesting to see it on something like Dyson (a Debian/illumos distro). And then users/developers of the OpenSolaris forks would improve it too, based on their experience on their spiritual predecessor.
    Last edited by timofonic; 10-28-2013 at 07:52 AM.

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    I can't understand what is this BSD trend!? Will somebody explain to me.

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    Wow, they've ruined Ubuntu, now they're going after Debian. It's like a cancer which is spreading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drago View Post
    I can't understand what is this BSD trend!? Will somebody explain to me.
    There is no BSD trend. There are ~10 Debian/kFreeBSD users dragging us millions of Debian/GNU Linux users technologically down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drago View Post
    I can't understand what is this BSD trend!? Will somebody explain to me.
    What do you mean? There's no trend, just the usual news about BSD stuff. BSD usually grows by forking, just like starfishes

    Using different kernels with Linux-like userlands are an interesting experiment in my opinion, just to do performance comparisons and make the code more compatible. When you test you code on different environments and fix it to make it work, the code gets less hacky and more robust!

    I would appreciate a lot if Systemd stops being Linux specific and gets ported to other non-Linux systems, it could be positive for everyone. It would be more tested and more software would support it.
    Last edited by timofonic; 10-28-2013 at 07:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timofonic View Post
    Using different kernels with Linux-like userlands are an interesting experiment in my opinion, just to do performance comparisons and make the code more compatible. When you test you code on different environments and fix it to make it work, the code gets less hacky and more robust!
    Actually, it get's more hacky and less robust. More code paths, more #ifdef's, more abstraction layers, exploding test matrix.

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    This was big news. Plenty of attention should be put on the voting process. In my opinion this issue should be put under Standard Resolution Procedure and not for the technical committee to chose.

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