I said I hated their methods to force people to use it. There's a difference. I suggest you learn to read.
Also, I love how you slipped "Hating Systemd is like hating Linux" in there, like they have anything to do with one another, like the Linux kernel cares which init system you use. I've got a friend who uses an init system they wrote themselves in BASH. They recently had to switch to eudev though, since udev (DESPITE RUNNING JUST FINE) required Systemd to be installed on their computer.
Odd how a piece of software requires another piece of software that it doesn't seem to call to in any way...
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux....9/focus=187553On OpenBSD we just dropped the features that need systemd for now. There was some talk about porting some
systemd interfaces but the path GNOME is currently taking made us stop for now since it seems clearer each
day that systemd will be a hard requirement at some point (not just 'some' interfaces). Even if they do not
call it a hard requirement, you will loose 1/2 of what makes GNOME interesting which would render it
useless to us.
So for now it works ok enough I would say, but in the middle term, I don't see any future for !linux+systemd in
GNOME. While some people are really opened about keeping fallback code for ConsoleKit or portability
patches, some don't care at all or are even getting in our way on purpose.
Don't get me wrong, Gnome can be dependent on what they want, I don't care. But they should just stop with the obvious lies about portability and how they are not dependent on systemd. If they don't have the balls to do that they should at least bring those developers back in the line that are actively going into the way of Gnome's self declared goals. They can't have the cake and it eat, but in their case it seems that the cake is a lie.
It will be a vertical stack the way Honton likes it, and will lock down the allowed system components, Apple-style, in order to provide you with the right "experience" on your "device". Linux the way we know it will run KDE, XFCE, or some GNOME-based fork.
This seems to be the new trend in the community, apparently.
When the GNOME project stops accepting patches from non-Linux and non-systemd technologies, then I suppose you have a case. Until then you are basically just reinforcing a destructive myth.
Anyway, I'm a GNOME release team member and have stated many many times that I really like *BSD and love if GNOME works on *BSD. There is a difference between really liking something and actual development on something. It is a simple fact that almost all development is done by people on Linux. That's been the way for as long as I've been involved. The *BSD contributions are very valuable and very welcome. But if after 10+ years of mostly Linux focused contributions, it is rather unfortunate but still understandable that *BSD might be getting more difficult. Especially in case of trade offs: do I maintain ConsoleKit, or choose this logind that automatically provides various Wayland features.
In any case, GNOME often depends on dbus interfaces, logind dbus API can be implemented on *BSD. So if you don't want to follow and call this "bullying": oh well, good luck with not helping out while complaining that others are doing things.
This was discussed on desktop-devel-list a month back or so. Now wondering if we properly warned distributions+*BSD about this..
P.S. Always nice to see how a member of the Gnome release team treats Gnome users who can't contribute code but have criticisms :/