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    Quote Originally Posted by stiiixy View Post
    That's your opinion, and I happen to not agree with what appears to me to be a black and white outlook. I would normally do the same for people wanting to get in on Steam-ness, but for myself, family and friends, I would allow a little more leniency and customise a machine more to their gaming and media digestve desire's. SteamOS may be targeted towards big-arse games, but there will be a plethora of low-end games (indie-much!) that will more than satisfy the needs of the casual gamer who likes to browse the big-app stores. And re-using hardware is a good thing for the planet. Steam is first in linux (Android notwithstanding) with the app stores now and it'll hopefully pull in heaps more waves of people interested in freeing themselves from the regular consoles lock-in which makes their games redundant forcefully.

    Hopefully SteamOS will make some waves. I'm not hedging it to be the massive game changer everyone's making it out to be just yet, but it'll be a damn fine platform that will steadily grow, ESPECIALLY because of its openness, fairness and future-proofing. In the meantime, I'll happily reboot in to it on the lappy for the full experience when not doing work.
    don't know how, but my previous answer was somehow eaten. meanwhile, i searched few possibilities just to make my point more visible. Steam has 4 usage cases on Linux and each probably has its dedicated public.

    - Steam+distro of your choice using your preffered DE and steam as software mixes both worlds of gamers and DE users seemingly, but you opt for some performance loss since you run more services beside the fact that your distro might not implement all performance tweaks (target: computer users who want to play and work at same time while not being scared of sacrificing some performance)
    - Steam+distro of your choice by using steam as DE like http://www.webupd8.org/2012/12/bette...ance-with.html. still mixes both worlds, but switching requires login/logout. good thing is that you gain some performance as your session is limiting services that would otherwise eat your cycles. even better thing here is that you retain all your services like network shares and such. and even better case is that you're still open to 1st approach since you can run same steam inside your working DE (target: computer users who separate their work and gaming, but want to use same machine for both worlds)
    - SteamOS only becomes viable when you don't want DE and computer functions, but want to squeeze every bit of performance and get console like plug-n-play experience (target: console users who only intend to play on that machine)
    - 4th one is actually dualbooting your distro and SteamOS which i think you already thought about it your self and don't like it

    your suggested chroot approach is nothing but even larger footprint than any of these 4 since you would try running one complete solution on another complete solution. if you want to fit 15 tons in 10 ton truck, you can't to take 5 ton truck, load it, put it in that 10 ton truck and expect you can now still load 10 in it to transport 15 in one go. SteamOS won't solve your usage case, you should opt for one of other 3. but, if your interest only lies in seeing how it looks, install it in virtual machine which will take way less work

    that is the beauty of open solutions. if the way it works doesn't suit you, find another way. that is also the main reason why SteamOS should never, ever have DE. all it would do would be take away one of possible usage cases since it would only replicate one that already exists. and i wouldn't say my world is black and white, i just know exactly which shade of gray i want same as you seem to do. i like things separated, you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ext73 View Post
    Seem more like package to update Ubuntu with Steam package then SteamOS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Figueiredo View Post
    What I want to know is when should we expect source code to be available.

    To me, if the Steam OS improvements to the stack are pushed upstream, pretty much any distro with reasonably updated packages and the steam client installed on top should perform very closely to the SteamOS, beyond providing that extra desktop functionality steam os lacks, right?
    Source code of the kernel etc. should be avaible with, or shortly after the SteamOS images drop. Please note that it is not confirmed SteamOS will drop today, could also be tomorrow or monday.

    Also, some kernel changes from SteamOS may not be useful for non-gaming related tasks, so Ubuntu etc. might not be interested in those tweaks if there are any.

    Regarding the hometest repository, yes that includes some SteamOS stuff but it has been known for half a year and it outdated.

    The initial SteamOS might not be too impressive yet, I expect bigger bombs to drop in January, both at CES and, if publicly announced, during Steam Dev Days. Valve also added a talk to Steam Dev Days recently where they want to pressure all developers to go fully OpenGL-only, and Source Engine 2 will probably also not have DirectX support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2kx View Post
    Please note that it is not confirmed SteamOS will drop today, could also be tomorrow or monday.
    Actually it does say that it will ship today.

    http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ste...88300965516570
    The machines are due to leave the factory on Friday!

    yada.... yada.... yada.....

    SteamOS will be made available when the prototype hardware ships. It will be downloadable by individual users and commercial OEMs. (But unless you’re an intrepid Linux hacker already, we’re going to recommend that you wait until later in 2014 to try it out.) We’ll post info soon about that. Oh, and stay tuned for the in-home streaming beta to begin soon, too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by justmy2cents View Post
    well, you're wrong in one thing. it is not my opinion, it's just how it is. it was always told that Steam+distro will be equal in any aspect as far as games go to what SteamOS only does for gaming as long as distro is following valve guidelines set by steamos. only difference i see is that if you run it in SteamOS you're bound to use BPM and you're not distracted by anything. as soon as you run it in any container mode you can kiss goodbye any kind of optimization that SteamOS brings against steam+distro, in fact your steam footprint probably became even larger.

    the only thing that you get if you run on SteamOS is the fact that it will probably be long term "just works" solution. and the only thing you get with steambox compared to self made rig is defacto certified hardware. but, that doesn't mean it will work better. your gaming rig could as well perform 10x better than steambox if you put it together carefully with linux in mind and steam+distro could also work better if that distro added some personal touches that make games run better. well, steambox+steamos will probably have one more thing... you plug it in and play which can't be said for usual PC. so far not one notebook i had (with any OS) it never even come close to console way of just plugging it in and playing.

    SteamOS is probably made as it is for 2 reasons:
    - as small footprint as possible which makes much simpler guidelines for other distros to follow
    - to satisfy ppl like me. for me it is console or nothing where i don't even want any option to be otherwise

    as far as last paragraph, i couldn't agree more. it is the reason why i'm jumping ship from PS to steam. being linux enthusiast and avid gamer nothing could make me happier than linux based open console.

    p.s. if my 1st answer sounded dismissive, it was not. english is not my native language so i sometimes word it harshly without realizing

    I still dont agree (Valve have said to go stick SteamOS on old PC's, even), but I'm more than happy to agree to disagree =) SteamOS is certainly NOT a console. It is competing with them on the high-end, however. It's simply JAFLD'ing (just-another-fucking-linux-distro). It will also creep down the low-end eventually too, but that's probably not their market right now and will likely come naturally from hardware progression anyway (Intel's onboard video is becoming nothing short of useful for games for example!). A lot of us, despite the Steam-DRM and personal details tracking thing, are keen to see this happen 'for the much benefits of game lovings' on systems we can control and love and just get over and get shit done with already! Watch the market open up for apps otehr than games, particularly for things that are related to games at first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stiiixy View Post
    I still dont agree (Valve have said to go stick SteamOS on old PC's, even), but I'm more than happy to agree to disagree =) SteamOS is certainly NOT a console. It is competing with them on the high-end, however. It's simply JAFLD'ing (just-another-fucking-linux-distro). It will also creep down the low-end eventually too, but that's probably not their market right now and will likely come naturally from hardware progression anyway (Intel's onboard video is becoming nothing short of useful for games for example!). A lot of us, despite the Steam-DRM and personal details tracking thing, are keen to see this happen 'for the much benefits of game lovings' on systems we can control and love and just get over and get shit done with already! Watch the market open up for apps otehr than games, particularly for things that are related to games at first.
    exactly, it is all about freedom. SteamOS != console, SteamOS = console version of linux distro and god bless them for that.

    if i tell you my history, you might understand better why SteamOS is true answer for some ppl like me. being avid linux fan from 94 and avid gamer i had 2 choices. use Windows all together (completely unacceptable) or dual boot to play and work. that time i decided to go with 3rd optionm console just to retain my pure linux work environment. and truthfully, i was really happy with my decision as PS just worked which was never true for gaming on windows and i never looked back... until PS3 came it all looked fine and dandy, but lack of support, constant extremely bad network lag, removing features... well, not a happy camper anymore. then comes Steam which runs on my favourite OS, i can run it any way i want... HELL, YEA!!!!!

    i never, ever installed even solitaire or tetris on my work machines. while i have around 150 games for ps3 and 100 for ps2. and yes, i lose those in any case no matter which next-gen i decide to go with. but, jumping on steam wagon with pure steamos+steambox now enables me using OS of my choice (which was my original wish), retaining console feeling (i really started to like console and having work separated) and never lose my library again (pain that came with every next-gen is gone), not to mention my console somehow became free to use in different ways. my main gaming machine will be defacto stembox+steamos, but this time i might consider buying some notebook which can run games too since my library will be shared between console and my working OS.

    as i noted in second answer there are 4 basic ways to implement whole "I play games on Steam+Linux". SteamOS+Steambox is just lowest denominator of those aimed at specific public like me. as far as old pc's... no, they never said that. proclaiming that would be a blatant lie. all you need is search any valve steamos article and you'll see what they really said. well, in short
    - they won't restrict you where you install steam in any view (hw, software, distro), but that doesn't mean it will play everything with full settings
    - they plan to set development gaming hardware margin for gaming companies to target. this one was always the terrible side of pc compared to console. if you develop for console you know exact hardware you need to target for everyone using it. for pc... not really. they always told about 3 spec categories (good=streaming only, better=can play games and serves as low machine standard for developers to rely on which is steambox, best=build it your self from rocket science parts). they also said they plan to incorporate hw checkups whether your system can play some gome or not.
    - their box and their distro is nothing but set standard for what and how to base on when you want to make it work for your machine or your distro or for developer to have a stable test bed

    to clarify you one more thing, otherwise you might be downright terrified right now if you look their "better" hw specs.
    i7 and 970gtx? i mean how is that just better, but remember long cycle of console and speed pc hw goes obsolete. in 2 years any 30EUR graphic card will be just as fast. and in 2 years you'll having hard time even finding computer as slow as that no matter how low cost it is. it is a long play game where PC really benefits and linux even more
    but, that doesn't make it as no 970gtx, no playing for you. it just means that you won't be able to play 1080p/60fps with stereoscopic 3d enabled.

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