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    Who to fuck gives a shit if a company wants systemd when at least one third of all Linux users use Ubuntu. :-\

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackout23 View Post
    There seems to be a high correlation between the persons favor of upstart and his affiliation with Canonical. Interesting. Correlation does not imply causation, though. Probably just a coincidence.
    Yeah, a coincidence for sure.
    In any case, the Bdale vote counts as two, because he is the chairman.
    So,
    [systemd x2] chairman Bdale Garbee
    [systemd] member Russ Allbery
    [systemd] member Don Armstrong
    [Upstart] member Andreas Barth
    [Upstart] member Ian Jackson
    [Upstart] member Steve Langasek
    [systemd] member Keith Packard
    [Upstart] member Colin Watson

    Looks like 5-4 in favor of systemd, provided someone doesn't change his mind from the intention vote expressed before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchy View Post
    Who to fuck gives a shit if a company wants systemd when at least one third of all Linux users use Ubuntu. :-\
    What company are you talking about? Debian? You must be new to Linux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackout23 View Post
    What company are you talking about? Debian? You must be new to Linux.
    he's probably referring to spotify...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchy View Post
    Who to fuck gives a shit if a company wants systemd when at least one third of all Linux users use Ubuntu. :-\

    Its new to me that people pick technologies not based upon their superiority, but upon clueless user base. If Ubuntu had some BRAINS, they would abandon upstart and bazaar long ago, and instead take systemd and git and start CONTRIBUTING to it. Instead they choose that ownership right matter more than whole "together" (aka "ubuntu") thing and started to trash the ecosystem with *their* bicycles.

    Your comment is exactly the essence why many hate ubuntu.
    Last edited by brosis; 01-26-2014 at 07:15 AM.

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    I wonder how much money Canonical wasted with bazaar and upstart since both certainly have no future. No wonder the company isn't profitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brosis View Post
    Its new to me that people pick technologies not based upon their superiority, but upon clueless user base. If Ubuntu had some BRAINS, they would abandon upstart and bazaar long ago, and instead take systemd and git and start CONTRIBUTING to it. Instead they choose that ownership right matter more than whole "together" (aka "ubuntu") thing and started to trash the ecosystem with *their* bicycles.

    Your comment is exactly the essence why many hate ubuntu.
    Upstart was released August, 2006.

    Systemd was released march, 2010.

    Canonical did and still is doing the right thing. Upstart is production ready, has been for many years and has been tested on a number of projects. Scraping their efforts for the sake of changing things makes no sense.

    Bzr at the time was interesting project that is still used by Canonical for the internal projects and for keeping track of ubuntu through launchpad. Moving to git will be a major endeavor that will eat up huge engineering time and will not make anything better.

    Honestly, I don't even know why you're mentioning git and bzr. They're versioning systems, which are one of the most boring parts of a programming project. Both tools do their job appropriately and are production ready.

    P.S. for debian it makes sense to go upstart. The project is healty ans stable. And debian nowafays plays the role of a staging ground for ubuntu, which has moved to upstart since many years ago.
    Last edited by Anarchy; 01-26-2014 at 07:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchy View Post
    Canonical did and still is doing the right thing. Upstart is production ready, has been for many years and has been tested on a number of projects. Scraping their efforts for the sake of some obscure changes makes no sense.
    The original author of Upstart agrees that the design of Upstart if flawed and needs fixing. It's a reply to one of the Google+ posts by Lennart. Further, that Upstart existed for years yet continues to have various flaws is a bad thing, not a good thing. "Some obscure changes": Here you're saying you don't know :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchy View Post
    Who to fuck gives a shit if a company wants systemd when at least one third of all Linux users use Ubuntu. :-\
    source please... (and do not quote distrowatch please...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkor View Post
    The original author of Upstart agrees that the design of Upstart if flawed and needs fixing. It's a reply to one of the Google+ posts by Lennart. Further, that Upstart existed for years yet continues to have various flaws is a bad thing, not a good thing. "Some obscure changes": Here you're saying you don't know :P
    So why did they wait for four years and then they released systemd instead of fixing upstart? I think someone is being dishonest here. And you're blaming Canonical for sticking with upstart and not really being in the spirit of open source.

    But, yeah, this is in the spirit of open source. Latest example is the llvm vs. gcc controversy.

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