LibreOffice 7.1 Starts Off With Presentation Improvements, Inclusive Config Options

[phoronix]

Phoronix: LibreOffice 7.1 Starts Off With Presentation Improvements, Inclusive Config Options

While LibreOffice 7.0 was just released earlier this month, with the code branching having already happened earlier this summer, there are a number of changes already accumulating in the code-base for LibreOffice 7.1...

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LibreOffice-7.1-Changes-Start

[Britoid]

Oh yes, all those people who didn't use LibreOffice because of the hidden settings with colours in their names are now able to use it now.

[Jumbotron]

Poor little Britoid snowflake. Can't even handle the fact that "Allow" and "Deny" are actually the words that are semantically MORE correct and meaningful to the action of the code. White and Black are colors. Or more accurately the NAME of shades of visible spectrum that we humans perceive. White is NOT an action. Black is NOT an action. Code that invokes an action should be represented by words _(which are nothing but symbols made up of individual symbols called letters)_that have action meaning (verbs) built in. "Allow" ( To allow, Allowed, Allowing ) and "Deny" ( To deny, Denying, Denied ) are and have been action words from the beginning of their formation from old Anglo-Saxon/French/Latin roots.

If one REALLY wanted to continue to use Colors as a Verb symbol in Code then use colors that are almost universally used in Traffic Management. Red and Green. You could "Green List" something you want to "Allow" and "Red List" something you want to "Deny".

But really, Britiod, to snowflake out over the words Black and White, which are semantically WHOLLY incorrect to describe a verb or an action makes me chuckle. Thanks for the laugh!

[ssokolow]

Poor little Britoid snowflake.

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But really, Britiod, to snowflake out over the words Black and White, which are semantically WHOLLY incorrect to describe a verb or an action makes me chuckle. Thanks for the laugh!

The general complaint is that projects like LibreOffice have much more productive things they could be doing with their scarce programmer time, like improving Calc's performance. Changing them and potentially breaking any kind of automation which sets them programmatically is of extremely questionable value.

As for arguing colour terminology, "Whitelisting" and "Blacklisting" are established terms. "Red List" and "Green List" are not. (And do you really want to risk excluding Native Americans with "Red List"?)

In the end, all we can really do is let them go through with this "trying to use changes to the language as a voodoo doll to fix problems in the culture" nonsense, document it thoroughly, and then try to use that documentation to prevent history from repeating itself once bigots and assholes come up with new ways to communicate their beliefs using "safe language".

Whether or not you're dealing in proper euphemisms, the euphemism treadmill marches on.

[M@GOid]

Various configuration changes with some config items being renamed for inclusiveness, such as OpenCLWhiteList to OpenCLAllowList

Oh look, they do remember about OpenCL. Can I have a working implementation now?

[Pranos]

If one REALLY wanted to continue to use Colors as a Verb symbol in Code then use colors that are almost universally used in Traffic Management. Red and Green. You could "Green List" something you want to "Allow" and "Red List" something you want to "Deny".

Oh yea. Why are you discriminating people with Red-Green Color Blindness.

[krOoze]

Poor little Britoid snowflake.

Gotta love human refuse like Jumbotron. They want to be inclusive to imaginary people, while being active jerks to real people.

LibreOffice was CORRECT in this action BOTH from a supposed "SJW" standpoint AND from a semantics standpoint. Win-Win.

It is incorrect on both accounts. Politically-motivated renamings are the toolkit of brown-shirts. Also it is an appropriation of English language that belongs to all of us, not them to change as they see fit. It is social injustice. Meanwhile people opposing the change are being encouraged to stay silent as not to be labeled racist (or worse).

From language standpoint, it is also incorect. "Allowlist" and "denylist" are not English words, meanwhile "whitelist" and "blacklist" are English words. It is that simple. Just e.g. try looking those up with Google Ngram. "Allowlist" and "denylist" are not words.

[Luke_Wolf]

Gotta love human refuse like Jumbotron. They want to be inclusive to imaginary people, while being active jerks to real people.



It is incorrect on both accounts. Politically-motivated renamings are the toolkit of brown-shirts. Also it is an appropriation of English language that belongs to all of us, not them to change as they see fit.

From language standpoint, it is also incorect. "Allowlist" and "denylist" are not English words, meanwhile "whitelist" and "blacklist" are English words. It is that simple. Just e.g. try looking those up with Google Ngram. "Allowlist" and "denylist" are not words.

Not only that but "Allowlist" and "Denylist" are butchery of the term Whitelist and Blacklist that do not in any way shape or form improve the meaning of the words. If these people weren't SJWs attempting to butcher every last word in the English language and beyond ("Latinx" anyone?) and were actually looking to improve the meaning they would use AllowedDevices DeniedDevices instead, which is actual English as opposed to a word as hideous as Allowlist or Denylist.

[ultimA]

@Jumbotron:
- Even if we followed your line of thought, your arguments are clearly wrong, because what was renamed had nothing to do with action in code in a programming language. "Blacklist" is the name of an object (a specific kind of list), not of an action, and there is nothing wrong with having a non-verb in compound noun to describe what kind of object it is. See countless examples such as "greenhouse" (the house is not actually green) or "software" (the ware is not actually soft, you cannot even touch it). This should be obvious to you, it is after all not the list doing the blocking in a "blacklist", it merely contains items to be blocked, but the actual blocking is done by another entity. You are even wrong about the basic grammar, because "white" and "black" aren't adjectives in this case (it is not the case that the list is actually white or black), but as the name of colors they are actually nouns (example sentence: "My favorite color is yellow".

- But I only wrote all that above to show how wrong you are even if we played your game, it doesn't actually matter one bit. Because we all know that the actual motivation for the renames had nothing to do with the old names being "semantically incorrect", so your whole argumentation just serves to keep everybody off track.

- I recommend to you not to stop at "whitelist" and "blacklist", but to go ahead and to start a campaign where ALL English phrases with "black" and with a slight negative connotation are removed from our language. You can start with: black economy, black sheep, black market, to blacken, a blackleg, a blackguard, a black mark etc. Then rinse and repeat for all other languages in the world. As if removing "blacklist" only is going to solve anything...

- It is funny that people like you who are supposedly fighting for inclusion are always the most aggressive, bad-mouthed and temperamental, driving people away. Just read back this thread, your tone was not at all in line with anybody else's. That's inclusion for you: if somebody doesn't share your opinion, then it is OK to call them "pathetic", "rude assholes", and to speak to them in a demeaning way in general. But of course you are "inclusive" because you chose not to use the word "blacklist" which doesn't even have to do anything with Afro-americans. You probably think you have actually contributed to social justice. I'll leave it at that, I don't want to take that warm and fuzzy feeling away from you if it makes you comfortable.

[tildearrow]

Denylist sounds so trash!!!

What is the problem with blacklist? IT IS JUST A WORD!!! Nothing racist!!!