What Linux Users Are Saying About GNOME In 2012

1201: I really miss some features in the dialog for printers and wifi config in gnome-control-center. It's kind of paradox that you now have to use cli or some obscure cups-web-interface to configure stuff you could do graphically 2 years ago.

1202: None for the team, but for the GNOME community: Stop letting one vendor dictate the direction of GNOME. It will only serve to drive new developers and users away from GNOME. Contrary to the opinion of the GNOME elite, GNOME isn't a "brand", or least it didn't used to be. No amount of PR shilling, market-speak or talking points is going to fix the problem with the rejection by long-time users. GNOME devs flipped the bird at loyal users, and now they are going to suffer the consequences of their arrogance by having their community abandon them and joyfully publically denigrating their efforts whenever the opportunity presents itself.

1203: Open Source Software means that not only is the code open but the development process should be open. The GNOME developers do not need to respond to every comment but a line of communication between community and developer should be maintained. This is the most frustrating thing about Gnome 3

1204: I use fallback mode. Cntrl + missing Nautilus.

1205: Actually I'm using mate. I'm not sure if it's using gnome 3 libs or still on 2.x.
I will try Awesome, I'm starting to like light desktops.

1206: Trying to create a single paradigm for all use-cases does not work. Creating a brand is not more important than usability. Also breaking GTK3 theme compatability so you can improve your own brand is against the ideas of linux, Providing a good out of the box experience should be enough to secure your brand. Gnome 2 had a great 'brand'. There will always be those who tinker, and they should be able to do whatever they want with their desktop. Android is open and allows huge customization. The brand isnt killed because of this open-ness.

1207: Touch wtf!? Gimme holographic displays first.

1208: improve extensions support

1209: Please do not design for tablets/mobile phones, remember there are still many people who have no interest in touch screens and such new-fangled technolgy.

I have been using Linux for 12 years and Debian for 8 of them and at 80 years of age do not want to change the way I use my computer

1210: Gnome 3 is really not my cup of tea, but good luck to the developers!

1211: REMOVE the bottom bar it is useless and annoying!

1212: I want gnome 2 back, at least give us user an option!

1213: While improving gnome, please also consider the users that use a mouse and not their finger to contol their device. i think tablets and desktops are operated quite ifferently. gnome3 might be good on a tablet, but on the desktop it does not work for me.

1214: Improve usability - e.g. miinimize number of gestures/clicks needed for switching windows, minimizing, maximizing, closing, etc..

1215: Continue the good work.

1216: stop removing features and give an option to use a gnome 2.x style desktop

1217: Don't break *my* desktop.

1218: Listen to users

1219: Your UX designers are a cancer.

1220: listen to users, you idiots.

1221: For an advanced user or developer Gnome3 is very un-practical and awkward to use. Cinnamon and xfce show the way it should be! You could learn a whole lot of them (and others). BTW: I loved Gnome 2. I switched to xfce because of Gnome3.

1222: I love GNOME 2, especially metacity. Compiz and other window managers "feel" flakey to me - you never quite know where windows will be placed, and keyboard shortcuts don't quite place things accurately, sometimes leaving windows overlapping. What happened to the incremental approach, building new UI elements on top of a stable base? Why isn't GNOME shell just an alternative to running a taskbar? Why does making it available have to prevent me working the way I like to work?

1223: Need a proper taskbar !!

1224: Despite having so much dead space, somehow it still feels cluttered. For me it'd be the applications menu, I miss the ability to categorize.

1225: I think you did a great job. But some things are hurting my productivity.
1. Nautilus is a key compnonent to work with the desktop, so it must be very polished and fine tuned. The most annoying things for me and my productivity:
a) it is to slow on big directories
b) the nautilus-native search functionality, spedd and stability is very important (until now a use other tools, but this is not so handy, when I must call an extra program):
- I miss much functionality (search for: different date/time, type of file/dir, size, search the contents of files, exclude/include-Search, Patternsearch/Regular Expressions) and all this options must work in combinations
- the found files/dirs must list in way so I could work with this list (in a nautilus window and not a static list)
c) The 2-pane-view is very productively. Why did you killed this feature in newer version? -> So I must open 2 separate nautilus windows, arrange them on desktop, minimize and maximize the 2 winwos everytime separately! This is not productively.
d) the one and only copy-dialog is very useful (not each copy-dialog separately), but this one-and-only dialog needs a scrollbar (when the screenresolution is too small I can't see and cancel the lower entries), and another point is to add a pause-button on each copy-entry (like in firefox)
e) In the past gnome-version it was very instable. So it is a very important key component the stability is very very important. In the other way I must use a different tool, but this is what I like.
f) On the left side I need 2 views: the directory tree AND the devices. I need these lists simultan, because I use them permanently. (Maybe a shortcut would help me too to change the 2 views quickly)
g) The newer themes doesn't show clearly, which pane (in 2-pane-view) is active
h) some space in naulitus is not optimal used (mainly the picture-thumbnails stand too far apart and the directory path is nearly useless with long directory-names -> this doesn't fit often in thewindow so it is doesn't shown!)
i) Samba-Integration is only usefull for exprts. Beginners (like my wife) doesn't can use it (so my workaround until now is too create bookmarks to samba-locations :-(
2. Why the hell is the original NetworkManager-GUI not used? Instead it is a crippled Network-GUI implement in Gnome which miss many features and doesn't work in many ways. I don't see one point, where the native-gnome-networkmanager is qualified (only the own design?).
3. On the desktop there should be areas (panes), which could contain things like: quickstarter programicons (on overviewmode this takes too long for some programs), gadgets (make it easier for developers, because the available gadgets are way too few), infos (systeminfos, internetinfos), ...
4. multimonitor-support: please make it easy to support 2 or more monitor with different resolutions, allow to arrange the monitors freely, allow a desktop-background to span over all monitors.
5. more keyboard shortcuts all over the place

But the rest in gnome is very handy and I like it a lot. But my productivity is also very important.
I hope you finetune the gnome3 in the next time a step more.

Thynk you
Rolf

1226: Thanks for the hard work :)

1227: You are far off track in your project. Start listening to your users or find another hobby.

1228: The latest version of Nautilus seems to be a big backwards step. Whilst I agree things like tabbed browsing and split-panel view may not be useful to all, the UP button was.

1229: Revert to Gnome 2 with much more prettier themes and UI, "plasma" like KDE4, but with bars and logic like Gnome 2 or XFCE

1230: YES!

Please, understand that my objections to Gnome3 have nothing to do with any underlying technology you feel makes it superior to Gnome2; My objections (and, as near as I can tell, everyone else's objections, too) center around the finger-oriented UI/UX design.

Although a logical, customizable, cascading menu is preferable, the main issue I have with the UI is not so much its look and feel as it is the absence of keyboard access. I'm just not ever going to reach up to my desktop's monitor, and I avoid the mouse as much as possible. The keyboard is not an afterthought to me; it's my primary input device. The keyboard is not what I resort to whenever I need to fill in a field or two; the mouse is what I only resort to when the keyboard just won't do. And the screen is something I only ever touch on my phone because there's just no alternative, and that because it's just too small to be useful, and adding a tiny keyboard doesn't help.

But that doesn't mean that I want the same thing on my desktop. I absolutely do not.

I understand your lust to capture market share by becoming more finger friendly, but I feel this is a huge mistake that will leave the desktop field either abandoned completely or open to a competitor that will seize the dissatisfied desktop users, leaving Linux nowhere to go because, let's face it, Gnome is never going to supplant Android there. Let Microsoft and Apple abandon the desktop for the tablet if they want to. That leaves the desktop wide open for Gome/Linux alone to seize.

I really would not object to your Gnome3 UI design so much if you could somehow retain easy keyboard access to everything. And I mean everything. Given the otherwise excellent keyboard access that Gnome2 offered, I accepted its lack of keyboard access to the panel applets, and the sometimes confusing highlighting in Nautilus and Evolution. (When I press the tab key, I expect to get a clear visual indication of where the focus has moved to.) But now you've abandoned the keyboard almost entirely, and you're offering only token appeasement.

You've abandoned me, so I've abandoned you, but I'm willing to reconsider if you're willing to redesign.

Mate and Cinnamon claim to offer a traditional Gnome2 experience. I'd like to know what those projects' developers' Gnome desktops looked like, because it clearly was nothing like what I had with Ubuntu 10.04, so I've given up on them, too.

So far, LXDE looks like the best solution to my problem, and, unless Gnome regains adequate keyboardability, I'll be staying with LXDE. If Gnome gets ever worse, I'll be jettisoning gedit, Evolution, and Nautilus, too.

1231: i have compulsorily moved to mate

1232: There should be a way to drive Gnome _entirely_ from the keyboard.

1233: Keep an applications bar at the bottom like Gnome 2 so I can easily see what ones are open.
Add the posibility of anchoring app launchers at the top of the screen like in Gnome 2.

Keeping these two features you can innovate all that you want in the remaining ones.

1234: Do NOT lock the user out of configuration and theming options. The ability to have my desktop look and behave the way I wanted it to was the single biggest reason I switched to Linux, having more control of updating / ease of updating and better security were secondary reasons.

Have a way for users to maximize windows they have running but minimized from the desktop view. Currently, I use the extension Panel-Docklet v14, which is very configurable (again, THIS IS IMPORTANT!). This is a feature I prefer when on a desktop as sometimes I don't always primarily use keyboard shortcuts. Sometimes I am mostly using the mouse and it's nice to be able to maximize without having to first gesture for the overview and then maximize. Also, clicking and middle-clicking the docklet icons is much easier than clicking the windows' tiny close and minimize buttons. I've not caught on to the tablet craze and prefer a netbook for portable computing, so there, of course, I primarily use the keyboard (running standalone Compiz with xfce4-panel and other xfce4 and lxde utilities).

Whatever the pros and cons are between the GTK2 and GTK3 toolkits, let me say that, as an end user, the theming mismatch that occurs as a result of having both kinds of apps in GNOME just flat out sucks big donkey wang.

re: GNOME 3.6, I've tested it. The notification system is worse, not as functional at best and missing features at worst. The removal of features in Nautilus 3.6 is tragic, and why only use the new icons in the sidebar and not system-wide? And the new lock screen is very pretty, but if you're going to allow system volume adjustment from there, make it available via keyboard shortcuts too, not just from the mouse. And why no middle scroll over the volume icon? Click the icon, then move to the slider, then click and drag the slider? Fail.

1235: Try to use your brains for something worthwhile

1236: Gnome3 seems to revolve around the idea that the default config is so perfect that users don't need to configure it. User configuration was cut back to a bare minimum. Unfortunately, one size does not fit every use case. E.g. size literally matters. On my 2x 23" dual head desktop there is plenty enough screen real estate. There is no need to hide controls, window buttons, or notifications. The same cannot be said for my laptop.

1237: Put back the damn Panel and don't forget to restore Nautilus address bar and navigation bar

1238: I mostly prefer Cinnamon over Gnome3, I think 2d mode it the most imp feature.

1239: I'm sure there's a lot of good things in GNOME3 under the hood and I really like the simplicity of some applications. However it's frustrating when you want to do something more advanced and there's no way to do it because you don't have an option. Eg: search & replace "selection" in Gedit to name only one.

I agree I'm very used to Windows like interface (bottom panel). I worked with KDE3.5 for a long time and I tried to adapt to GNOME interface but I always find the bottom panel arrangement suits better for me (Eg: OpenSuse 11.4). It would be great you can adapt GNOME to different layouts (eg: Zorin Look Changer) without having to use clunky extensions which can't be customised either. I'm now using Cinnamon because of this.

There are other things I dislike but I don't want to extend so much. Just to say I appreciate very much your effort and I'm planning to collaborate with the GNOME team when a I've little spare time.

1240: Please make Multi-Monitor work as good as with Gnome 2. It's still a mess - it's ugly to start an app and while you click on a button or link the window moves (nautilus does this often) to another monitor. Window placement needs to be improved.

As it is now, i still prefer to use my Desktop more in a Gnome 2 way. Panels, structured menu, icons and other stuff on the Desktop. This is mostly done with extensions on top of Gnome 3. But many of the new Features from Gnome 3 are almost useless to me and now i live between 2 Worlds. The new workplaces system for example isn't needed in my scenario. And to not include a working weather applet/extension was for me 5 steps back from Gnome 2.

So there is still stuff to improve.

1241: Integrate Compiz in Gnome Shell.

1242: i love how buttery smooth mutter is, i love the design, icons, js plugin infrastructure ... awsome! what we know and have always loved about gnome.

BUT ....

please, please, please we need the option for a more classic look and feel, and the extension mechanism breaks my favorite extensions everytime there is an update. it's too much. need at minimum:
1. gnome-2 style alt-tab
2. ability to put clock/calendar on right from gnome-tweak
3. task bar is not a must but it would be nice
4. documentation for the api?

additionally, i find the glow in the dock(?) to be almost invisible in my crappy laptop. wouldn't it be better to use a little dot/arrow on the left of the icon?

thanks.

1243: Pay much more attention to screen real estate (vertical especially). Hot corner are cool, but hot border are also important: add a default dockbar/tray and a means for quickly switching desktops (there are some extensions that do the job, but an officially released one would be much better).
But most impportant: WHERE IS TRANSPARENCY? Transparency, for example, makes a shitty IE9 window looks brilliant and easy on the eyes. It also help understanding the disposition of windows quickly and precisely (and it looks cool...)

1244: Love of freedom is what has driven the Linux community for twenty years. If we wanted our UI experience dictated to us, we could just use Windows. After many years as my main desktop environment, I no longer use Gnome because of the changes made in the jump to Gnome 3. I would suggest keeping Gnome open and easily customisable, while including a 'reset to defaults' option.

1245: GNOME is heading in a nice direction. Just keep evolving GNOME and its apps... and don't cut out too many features, please.

1246: Drop the attitude and forget about the 'gnome as a brand' idea.
Reevaluate what was good and bad about gnome2 (users seem to admire different things).
Do not sacrifice features to achieve a 'gnome as a brand' goal. Get a mission statement and stick to it. Dont lose debian: Fedora alone is not enough.

1247: Decide once and for all if GTK will be a general took kit with the stability needed for all sorts of apps to depend on it or not so the community can move on.

1248: Learn how to design a desktop for intelligent users that want to customize their windowing environment.

1249: You should rethink what you want to do with all the applications not directly related to DE tasks of managing settings, windows and so on (e.g. epiphany and evolution). They are stagnating/worse (or even losing features...) than competing apps - hence many distros replace them. It just seems you don't have enough devs to maintain all these projects.

1250: The reviews of GNOME-3 have been devastating for a casual *nix lusr. It's taken me **years** to learn a small fraction of GNOME-2 function. In UBUNTU_12.04.1 I'll be switching to MATE/CINNAMON & Apache_OO when shaking-out my new i7-hardware. I just hate folks cramming change of any kind down.my.throat ..... I will **improve** as IO see fit.

1251: Please make keyboard shortcuts more prominent part of Gnome experience. Win-n to open nth app in the dock, more shortcuts for tailing windows...
Please don't cripple Nautilus.
Please remove unnecessary chrome from Adwaita.
Please make search for an app in shell reasonably fast.
Please integrate desktop search that works.
Thanks for your work so far.

1252: If touch interface is inevitable, make two versions. One for mouse interface and one for touch interface (GNOME click and GNOME touch).

1253: PLEASE bring back (or more readily support) Gnome-Panel and plugins such as Xmonad and Compiz. In terms of what I need from a fully-fledged do-everything DE, I turn to Gnome (more specifically Gnome 2.32), but that all changed with Gnome3. Now I have to spend about an hour on every build making sure Gnome is set up the way everyone is used to. Stop hiding settings, stop trying to be the open-source OS X. Linux isn't meant for people who don't want to see machinery, and that should be reflected at least a little in Linux's most popular DE. Gnome should at least be able to expose the machinery when needed.

1254: better multimedia support for dvd and mp3 conversions and fair use copies or remove security barriers for 3rd party multimedia work arounds and recognize that this is a priority for new uses.
make the solution easy to find on debian web site.

1255: 1) I managed to fix focus-follows-mouse to what I wanted. I think you'll probably need to hide that option a little better next time.

2) Likewise I figured out how to disable that "maximize at the top of the screen" drag option cause a 30" wide terminal really doesn't bring much to the table compared to its default size. You're falling down on the job here -- it only took two hours of Google searches to do so. Discoverability! :)

3) I used to think that needing "three finger salutes" to get anything done was a joke in windows. Thanks for making it a joke in Linux as well.

4) At one point in Gnome 2's life I could have a desktop manager that thumbnailed the windows on each desktop and I could see the contents of all my desktops at a glance without touching anything -- more or less a literal heads up display. I can see why that feature had to die. Nobody needs that much information -- it's just confusing for Grandma and all that. Yet I'm the dinosaur... ;)

5) If I wanted a Mac I could afford it you know. Likewise, I already have a cell phone. When it comes down to it, Windows 8 has a better desktop paradigm than you do cause I actually can customize what applications appears in the little boxes!

6) Along with every other bit of talk-down advice I got from Gnome was "just use fallback mode" and it will give you everything you wanted if you're an obsolete dinosaur Gnome 2 addict. My other option was to go XFCE. Guess why I am feeling smug in the choice I made right now? Yay, my CURRENT desktop didn't force me to adapt my workflow yet again!

7) Also, a bonus to ditching Gnome is that I am still using my 8 year old Pentium 4 at home. In fact, the only time I ever had a bit of software tell me that it couldn't run was -- you guessed it -- Gnome which smugly told me I was going to get fallback mode and not to get used to that either cause my hardware was crap.

Thanks for making eye candy but I'll stick with productivity, thanks.

1256: no, I am a adult, I can perfectly give comments by myself by directly contacting them, and I am pretty doubtful that anyone will read all the comments, especially given the current tendency to spew shit without reasons. ( and in fact, the whole survey is totally busted given the questions )

1257: 1. thank you

2. The right mix: consistency 80%, customization 20%
For example: stuff stays where it belongs, but you get a few simple color themes.

3. Make the dock on the left and the virtual desktop bar on the right pop out when touching the screen's edges with the mouse.

1258: Bring back support for the GNOME 2 desktop!

1259: As per recent V. Untz suggestion, it would be nicer if the Linux Mint team adopted gnome-panel and built their desktop on top of that.

Also, not everyone has a 3D accelerated card or desktop powerful enough for software emulation. Fixed video drivers before a hard requirement for 3D would have been nice.

1260: Make official and more support and compatibily with Tiled manager, like xmonad, Qtile

1261: It's high time you guys booted De Icaza and all the other nincompoops who are trying to shoehorn multitouch/tablet features into GNOME and removing features because they "don't work well with touch". News flash: the mouse-and-keyboard environment still exists, and just because touch is en vogue at the moment doesn't mean you need to abandon your userbase and Fisher-Pricing your UX to suit a trend.

1262: keep it modular (separate components), do not remove functionality without providing replacements. thanks

1263: Keep it simple. If it ain't broken, don't fix it. Listen to GNOME users.

1264: No application should be able to change my screen resolution. Hardware scaling should be used for the pesky full-screen apps;
Need better touch-screen support. After getting too used to smartphones I find myself clicking and dragging my desktop every now and then. This kind of scrolling should work as it feels the most natural nowadays;
Need to borrow Ubuntu's icon theme or any better icon theme than the actual one. This is long overdue;
Must have a way to disable all hot-corners in Gnome-shell. The hot-corner at the bottom of the screen is useless as it is a replication of functionality found in the Activities menu;
Maximized windows don't need to render a title bar just to show the window name, the quit button and a drag target. All of these are provided by Gnome-shell's top panel.

1265: Bring back Gnome 2 UX, stop mutilating Nautilus, and start listening to the users... Simple!

1266: There would be no point as they would not listen anyways.
But thanks to Linux Mint we have Mate And Cinnamon now and they are already as good as Gnome 2 if not better:)

1267: Bring the freedom of input engines back!
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2012-November/msg00091.html
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2012-November/msg00123.html
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688914
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688916

1268: Nice to have some form of "classic" mode available, allways.

1269: The GNOME developers' complete and utter disregard for their user base and abandonment of the HIG they've followed for years is the biggest mistake they could make. GNOME is no longer a project that can coexist with the rest of the Linux desktop world. I hope their efforts whither on the vine, and that MATE succeeds what they turned their backs on.

1270: Take a look at dwm. You have a lot to learn!

1271: I had always been happy with GNOME2. The sweep on the desktop environments marked on question 15 exists because I do not like the way GNOME3 is going and I need an alternative.

I am using Unity currently, but still I do not like it as much as GNOME 2.

1272: Some background:
I have always favored Gnome over KDE
I also like and use Unity on the Netbook, because it utilizes the small screen better (runs slower though, but has about the same usability)
I did not like earlier Gnome 3.x releases. Now using Gnome 3.6 via ppa and like it so far.
Future Gnome releases need to be: stable, customizable (miss Gnome 2 customizability), shell extensions need to work (most I have tried just do not).
About Gnome 3.6 as a DE I like: it is fast, beautiful, functional (after getting used to it, a transition is needed from the "old way" of doing things, notifications are well integrated.
(yes, i have been typing this on a windows 7 machine ;))
Keep up the good work!

1273: I need some freedom to adjust the size, quantity of gnome favorites. I need some freedom to adjust other applications by modifying configuration. I recommend that there should be a uniform standard placement, e.g. XDG_HOME_CONFIG, for configurations of most gnome applications.

1274: should listen more to the views of users

1275: Thanks for your hard work, really.

To be honest, I couldn't imagine Linux without gnome-shell anymore.

1276: * Stop removing features!!!
* Fix gnome-settings-daemon memory leaks!
* Gnome should not be an OS, be more flexible on dependencies. Allow mixing versions of gnome programs (nautilus, gedit, etc.).
* GUI customization options without need for extensions.
* Better default settings.
* Stop using "branding" methodology to restrict theming.
* Revamp relations with XFCE, Compiz, and other Window Managers.
* Stop screwing with the GTK API to meet your own whims.
* Make better use of screen space instead of all the wasted padding.
* Non-composite mode for older machines and gaming.
* Bring back program category menu.
* Listen to your users, allow choice. Don't assume your users are stupid and that you know best.

1277: I think the choice of orientation in development is good. Keep the philosophy of gnome 3 but add an extension to allow the user to have an environment comparable to gnome 2, but with the power of gnome 3.

1278: go ahead with your creative

1279: I don't like the new app menu thing. It makes nautilus harder to use. Also the 2 sec timeout for the notifications is disturbing.

1280: Please don't make a toy out of a desktop/laptop. Some if not all of us need a simple functional environment to work with and enjoy.

1281: Keep it up !!

1282: I really like Gnome-shell. I like KISS in it))).

1283: God damn it bring back GNOME 2.32 in 3.x !!!!!

1284: 1. Do not break API for extensions every release. It is hard to maintain a version for every GNOME. Maybe a stability layer?
2. More configuration and customization available. Ability to configure how the laptop behaves on lid close/open.
3. Do not remove features. If you didn't like them - hide them. Provide configuration tool to show the again.

IMO everything boils down to configuration and customization options and stabilizing APIs.

And support extensions. They are one of the greates thing in GNOME3/Shell.

1285: Let go of Shell. It was a nice experiment, but even Android works better with the mouse. Despite the current touchscreen fad going on, it will only become a complementary input mode on laptops and (AIO) desktops. Tablets will remain nifty toys. Going all touchy and neglecting the mouse is not usable design.

1286: I liked Gnome 2 because of its good usability and similarity to classic Windows. I installed it for novice Windows users in the past, and they had no problems adjusting to it. I have since installed Unity on Ubuntu for them, but I feel that Unity lacks what a power user like me needs, so I am running Mate currently with Compiz. I have dual monitors: primary 24" and secondary (to the left) 17". Gnome 3 will not work for me in this configuration because the upper-left hot-spot interferes with my left-hand secondary monitor. I also was disoriented in Gnome 3 because I could not see a list of all the available windows all the time. I have the screen space, but it was not used for a task bar. Please bring back gnome-panel... rewrite the code if necessary, but please bring it back! You will regain many lost users if you do. Plus I love compiz, and I depend on the "Enhanced Zoom Desktop" effect when I show the screen to others. If you could make Gnome Shell work with compiz, it would be great.

1287: Keep on trucking, and do make the gnome the best gnome classic experience with compiz when gnome-shell 3D does not work.

1288: Work with extension providers to ensure they are updated quickly for new versions of Gnome.
Provide more customisation options and make customisation easier - too many options are hidden away in dconf, they are hard to find, available options are not always obvious.

1289: Dump gmome3 and resume development on gnmome2

1290: This is for the systems I am managing - as soon as I tried Gnome 3 I moved myself to fluxbox. What they want is the gnome 2 they currently have. That's it. So when I upgrade to the next version of Debian, I am going to have to take them to something else. That will be either xfce or lxde. At the moment I am inclining to the latter. I just cannot possibly ask people to struggle with G3.

The other thing I am really bothered by is taking all the configurability and functionality out of GDM. Yes, I can edit the text files. I can't ask them to do that!

All in all, this was fixing stuff that worked very well, and its a great pity to have to go through moving them to a different DE. But there you go. At least there are some to move them to. I think they will be OK with lxde as long as I don't tell them its not the newest Gnome!

Sorry, I know this is not nice to read, but its the way it is. I feel the same about win 8 by the way, and so does everyone I know. Tablets are not desktops.

1291: Gnome 3 is a complete disaster for me, my computer must be a standard desktop ideal for working and studying, i don't have a fucking mobile device. And the removal of the fallback mode will bring me away from Gnome forever (it was weird anyway). Mate is my future.

1292: It would be nice if the menus on the right-hand side of the top panel in gnome shell were to show themselves on mouse-over to be consistent with the behaviour of the activity corner on the left.

1293: Do not like inflexibility of Gnome panel bar, would rather have it at screen-bottom with the traditional start-type menu tree. Also, Gnome2 Weather applet WITH radar is sorely missed in the newer GUI. The big-icon application display is a nuisance, suitable for touch screens and smartphones perhaps but not for desktop or laptop use. MATE does the job well, as does the fallback mode which I use.

1294: All I want from desktop is ability to control hardware. When all possible inputs and outputs work flawlessly and are easily configurable, I'm happy.

1295: I've switched to MATE and Cinnamon. GNOME 3 missed the boat.

1296: I do find the (perceived) attitude of "we know best" somewhat annoying. in reality, you probably do know (a lot) more than I do about UI, but it seems like academic knowledge is trumping what users want (or think they want, I'll admit) too much. (btw, I appreciate you adding back/embracing static workspaces again. I couldn't get over that one at all.) I don't envy you trying to get useful feedback from users -- seems like most feedback is written in all caps. my guess is that the extensions project/community will point the way on what really does need to change, at least to avoid alienating users (I do think that should be a concern). I think that site could use some more work (search options, or maybe just some curating) as the number of extensions grows, but it's pretty cool how easy it is to install extensions.

I would love to see Evolution get some real love. honestly, even with Thunderbird's and Lightning's issues, I find them way more compelling than Evolution. Evolution ushered in a new era of awesome on the gnome desktop, but wow has it gone nowhere since, like, 2003. it's probably not the most exciting app to work on, but being so central to gnome, it seems to me like it should have flagship status anyway.

oh yeah, and also, please!, miller columns in nautilus!!! :)

1297: Please learn not to ignore users.
Please learn not to try to change users.
Please learn to not to try to educate users.

1298: No suggestions. I use Mint and Fedora, both with Mate.

1299: I didn't come to this desktop for a game of 3 card monte - I need to control these desktops automatically, in detail and en-mass and Gnome3 is not ready for prime-time. I run multi-monitor desktops that are being used in complex multi app envitonments - I don't need a desktop that thinks it's a phone. I don't need an App stor - I would like to set up my own App depot. Compliance requires I control what runs on the hardware, loading extensions from a web browser is just another blocked IP address at my firewall - I feel sorry for RH7 they are so screwed.

1300: goodbye gnome. the developers are no longer thrustworthy. i'll never use gnome again.